DaveSehl

I picked this up yesterday it is in ok shape it sat for a while. below are some exterior pics.

Fuel question... The fuel pump on the bottom of tank spins but does not pump fuel. The gas will pour out of tank faster then it will with the pump running. I am assuming I need a new one and can not rebuild? I also seen ebay has cheapo's for $40 think that will work ONLY to see if the engine runs and is good? I don't want to stick a bunch of money in this right now.

My plan for this if it runs good I just may keep it. If it needs tons of engine work its going to get sold or parted.

The Deputy

Out of curiosity..what's the vin number?

And what does the interior look like?

hacker-pschorr

You must know how to do body work since this is totally backwards from most "save" projects.

Mechanics is the easy part, that car needs a complete tear down, blasted and painted. Not a big deal of you are a body guy......upwards of $10k or more if paying a reputable shop to do the work.

I vote save it, but that's always my vote if the chassis is straight. Not enough real OB's running around anymore. The time is coming where everyone who parts one of these will be kicking themselves.

It's CIS so the fuel distributor probably needs a rebuild and the warm up regulator needs some attention.

Then toss in vacuum lines, ignition refresh.......should purr like a kitten.

Good luck.

Ducman82

ya, she needs some exterior rejuvenation....

DaveSehl

Hacker...

I understand the rebuild and cost of these. My only question is my #199 that is super clean 37000 miles all original the insurance company won't insure it for more then 12k. How is everyone justifieing putting all this money in them if they get hit or burn you will never recoup even half of your money.

DaveSehl

It's a US #350 vin

AirtekHVAC

Not much chance of recouping. It's a labor of love for the car, not an investment. For most of us, it's a hobby car, to tinker and fix as we see fit. I hope you rescue it, I am with hacker, and feel they all deserve a chance, but it is a financial negative, in most cases.

My 78 has 2 fuel pumps, one at he tank, and another in the passenger fender well. There is also a fuel accumulator there, and a fuel filter. So you might want to check those also.

Both of my fuel pumps are the eBay el- cheapos...just make sure you get the higher pressure ones. I bought them to get her running, and they have been solid for 2 years now. Not my permanent solution, but working so far. Check the in tank strainer, replace ALL rubber fuel lines, and clean the injectors and fuel strainers on the fuel lines entering and leaving the fuel distributor. You will probably need to rebuild the FD, as hacker has stated. It's a slippery slope, no doubt.

hacker-pschorr

Change insurance companies.

Save it
Save it
Save it

Jetdriver69

You must be a very patient and brave man to tackle this job.

Hope the interior and mechanicals are a bit better than the exterior.

Good luck and break out the check book. It may be a long and bumpy ride, I know from experience.

DaveSehl

Hacker-Pschorr My insurance says they would be happy to insure for more if I had documentation proving it is worth more. I asked what documentation they need and everyone went Silent.......


how do you even know what it is worth? I had 2 people (on this forum) tell me my #199 could be worth about 25k is that a pipe dream? were they BS'ing me?

To be honest as it probable shows I know very little about these cars. I fought for my #199 the only reason I bought it is my dad was offered $1500 trade in on my moms new car. my dad did not want to sell it to me because in his eyes it was in worse condition than this #350 I posted. I know it had to be worth more than that just how much I do not know....

And it looks Bad *** lol.

The reason I bought the #350 is I did get the bug and want to keep the #199 all original. It needs 1 strap for the air box. the ones I ordered for $50 did not match. This car had the correct strap. Also the plastic piece in the shifter is cracked and I looked on line and they are no longer available. The #350 had a good one.

It also had new parts with it that were worth probable half what I paid for the #350, roters, pads belts bearing and stuff I haven't even figured out yet.

all in all I really will probable never restore the#350 the way it should. I frankly do not have the wallet for that. If I can get it running for a fair amount of money I may keep it to tool around town and keep the miles off the #199.

If not maybe it will find a better home with someone else.

Optimator

I see the air box straps as being disposable maintenance items, kind of like tires. As they age, they stretch and no longer seal the air box properly. Personally, I'd rather have 4 new non-original straps than 4 old ones.

I share the opinion that your US#199 is an exceptional example. Since that kind of car does not come along for sale as often, it can be difficult to pinpoint the value.

A common expression on this forum, referring to 928s that are in rough shape: "That's $10,000 away from being a $5,000 car". I'm not sure US#350 even makes that grade. Still, it would be nice if it could be spared the fate of being parted out. I mean, if the shift boot frame is present, let alone intact, maybe it's not so bad....hehehe

The Deputy

However, there is a point of no return on these cars. At least there was on my 78 parts car, #613. I looked at it long and hard before deciding to disassemble. The car had been resprayed, poorly, engine didn't run for unknown reasons, numerous parts missing, interior was mostly trashed, but even with all of that...the tipping point was the underside. It looked as though the Duke boys had driven it...the body rails were flatten to the point on being level with the rest of the underside.

Basically, I could have thrown 20 maybe even 25k at this car, easily, and never recouped a small portion in resale. Yes, I get the labor of love thing...but throwing away money is a whole other story.

The car above may be a different story. If it runs and the interior is not totaled...since the car looks pretty straight outside (but, pictures can be deceiving)...maybe it would be worth the effort in the right hands. And yes...I hope this happens.

If you do decide to part it out, please PM me...there are a few things I need for #225.

Also, I have both fuel pumps off #613 if you are interested. They were pumping fuel before I removed them.

Brian.

hlee96

I agree with everyone's comments. Originally, I bought an '89 S4 in ok condition and brand new nicely done paint job in April, and fortunately, it had Stan (MrMerlin) got it to pass inspection in PA. However, I found that it is just nice enough and expensive enough that I do not want to mess it up by working on the car myself (no experience with auto mechanics but learning from this forum). It will get the proper MrMerlin treatment soon enough.

Therefore, I bought a '78 5 speed (#403) 2 months ago and I felt that it will be the car to restore and work on my skillz. I know that I will never recoup any money that I will put into it in order to make it presentable, but I see it as the price of education. It will give you tremendous amount of satisfaction in bringing these cars out of the grave. Take your time and work on the most important things first before moving on to other aspects of the car. IE, engine and mechanics first, followed by interior, then lastly paint job if you have reached that far.

Best of luck and remember to ask questions on this forum. This forum is the reason I felt comfortable enough to get an older car, especially an 928, knowing that I have the best enthusiasts around lending their support.

linderpat

This is absolutely the right way to be thinking about that #199. That is a very nice early example, and you should keep it as original as you can. Play with other ones, but stay on point with #199.

As to value, look at as many sources as you can. Get an appraisal from a known early 928 expert like Jim Doerr. Use that and other things you find to substantiate the proper value of #199. I don't know who the insurance company is that you have tried, but if it isn't Haggerty, try them. My 78, #834, is insured for a lot more than $12.5K, through Haggerty, and they have not batted an eye. Make sure you have lots of pictures, receipts from past work, magazine articles, and an appraisal from someone like Jim (on official 928 Classics letterhead). I would concur that the #199 is worth at least in the mid-20s.

Good luck and keep at it. Have fun (and learn) with the silver rust bucket, then sit back with your favorite beverage at night and just stare at that beautiful red one!

karl ruiter

Back to your basic question: If you don't want the shell out for Bosch you want to go with Walbro. Quality pump, made in 'Merica, well exceeds performace spec, and costs about $100 with adapter fittings. The only trick if getting it with the right fittings. I bought my last pump from this ebay vendor:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Walbro-Fuel-...6a14b3&vxp=mtr

Those are not the right fittings, but they have them if you look at their other items. They will put together a bundle with the right fittings for the same price as this auction or just about. Let me know if you need me to dig out the info on the correct fittings.