New Panorama praise for 928
11-05-2014, 02:01 PM
#46
Heck Manny, you're YOUNG by both PCA and 928 Owner standards!
11-05-2014, 05:07 PM
#47
Rennlist Member
.........What I'll never understand is the whole 'we're unloved' mantra. I've owned a slew of 'unloved' Porsches (914, 924, 928) and never felt slighted by anyone in PCA. Maybe that's why I got involved. I never felt inferior simply because of the type of Porsche I owned. I get much more comments on my 914 than my 911.......
In a group shot from 2003
I'm pretty sure I have them all. So from 1994 there hasn't been any on the cover (except group shot of 2003). That's 20 years. Or by my calculations 240+ issues and counting.
"Buying a used 928" article in July 1997.
11-05-2014, 06:40 PM
#48
Instructor
11-05-2014, 07:25 PM
#49
Drifting
[QUOTE=Manny Alban;11780415]
I never felt inferior simply because of the type of Porsche I owned. I get much more comments on my 914 than my 911.
If with my Wife Astrid I could park with the Carrera GT and museum car owners and not feel inferior..it's good to have a hot Wife you get tons of respect.
Crumpler, thanks for the nice words but appearing in Panorama isn't something that i care too much about.
(What i care about are both sitting next to me watching cartoons)
Besides my project is probably too much for the old folks that read Pano to handle. LOL
Anyway (spoiler alert) I have talked with Pablo this am and Pete Stout has very recently reached out to him to contribute to Panorama in the future.
Guess he's watching and listening after all.
My Carrera in the photo..
I never felt inferior simply because of the type of Porsche I owned. I get much more comments on my 914 than my 911.
If with my Wife Astrid I could park with the Carrera GT and museum car owners and not feel inferior..it's good to have a hot Wife you get tons of respect.
Crumpler, thanks for the nice words but appearing in Panorama isn't something that i care too much about.
(What i care about are both sitting next to me watching cartoons)
Besides my project is probably too much for the old folks that read Pano to handle. LOL
Anyway (spoiler alert) I have talked with Pablo this am and Pete Stout has very recently reached out to him to contribute to Panorama in the future.
Guess he's watching and listening after all.
My Carrera in the photo..
Last edited by The Fixer; 05-02-2015 at 01:16 PM.
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11-06-2014, 06:14 PM
#51
Drifting
Hey Buddy,
She'd be flattered by the joke (and mad at me at the same time for posting a pic)
I don't know about you guys but i'm sick of discussing Panorama.
I find reading about different makes more interesting these days anyway.
I would say It must be hard to write about Porsches over and over. I don't envy those that have to.
My favorites are Hemmings Sport and Exotic and Classic and Sports Car.
She'd be flattered by the joke (and mad at me at the same time for posting a pic)
I don't know about you guys but i'm sick of discussing Panorama.
I find reading about different makes more interesting these days anyway.
I would say It must be hard to write about Porsches over and over. I don't envy those that have to.
My favorites are Hemmings Sport and Exotic and Classic and Sports Car.
11-06-2014, 06:40 PM
#52
Rennlist Member
11-06-2014, 07:27 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
As Manny said, there's no pressure from PCNA or PAG to not cover the 928, nor is there a lack of willingness on this editor's part to run 928 content in Panorama. Why we would run as many 924 and 944 stories as we have but then actively choose to slight the 928 is...well, um...it just doesn't make sense.
As I alluded to in the other thread: It's been my experience over the last 18 years that good 928 content is harder to come by than just about any other Porsche content. I assigned 928 stories to freelancers while I was at Excellence, and most of them came to fruition—though many of them took far longer than they should have. I'll put the number of feature pages on 928s in Excellence between 1997 and 2012 up against any car magazine on the planet.
As to Pano, I actually green-lighted Pablo for a cool 928 story idea he had more than a year ago. If you don't believe me, I can go back and find the email, as I recently did to check in with Pablo, and he's back on it—as he can confirm if he wants to—and I see no reason why it has to interfere with his own venture, which is very cool. I have another 928 story assigned months ago that I am only waiting for text on. An ex-C/D and R&T shooter did a full shoot for it several weeks ago. There's yet another one, but getting a shooter to the location on budget has proven to be a challenge. And then there's yet another 928 piece that has been assigned, but it's "way out there" in the hands of that freelance.
Anyway, the primary point is this: I do want to see 928 content in Pano, and fully agree that the lack of coverage is a problem. I am working to solve that alongside a number of other issues. What I don't get is the "we're unloved"/"let's tell the editor that there are other Porsches besides the 356 and 911" mantra when two of the three Porsches I've owned were/are neither, and the 911 was one of the two I decided not to keep. The one I did? The "unloved" 914. Funny thing is, while many 914 owners tell me PCA and Porsche people don't appreciate the 914, that has rarely been my experience. It's just a cool car, even if it isn't the one most people pick. The 928 is, too.
pete
As I alluded to in the other thread: It's been my experience over the last 18 years that good 928 content is harder to come by than just about any other Porsche content. I assigned 928 stories to freelancers while I was at Excellence, and most of them came to fruition—though many of them took far longer than they should have. I'll put the number of feature pages on 928s in Excellence between 1997 and 2012 up against any car magazine on the planet.
As to Pano, I actually green-lighted Pablo for a cool 928 story idea he had more than a year ago. If you don't believe me, I can go back and find the email, as I recently did to check in with Pablo, and he's back on it—as he can confirm if he wants to—and I see no reason why it has to interfere with his own venture, which is very cool. I have another 928 story assigned months ago that I am only waiting for text on. An ex-C/D and R&T shooter did a full shoot for it several weeks ago. There's yet another one, but getting a shooter to the location on budget has proven to be a challenge. And then there's yet another 928 piece that has been assigned, but it's "way out there" in the hands of that freelance.
Anyway, the primary point is this: I do want to see 928 content in Pano, and fully agree that the lack of coverage is a problem. I am working to solve that alongside a number of other issues. What I don't get is the "we're unloved"/"let's tell the editor that there are other Porsches besides the 356 and 911" mantra when two of the three Porsches I've owned were/are neither, and the 911 was one of the two I decided not to keep. The one I did? The "unloved" 914. Funny thing is, while many 914 owners tell me PCA and Porsche people don't appreciate the 914, that has rarely been my experience. It's just a cool car, even if it isn't the one most people pick. The 928 is, too.
pete
11-06-2014, 08:59 PM
#54
Drifting
11-06-2014, 09:24 PM
#55
Instructor
As Manny said, there's no pressure from PCNA or PAG to not cover the 928, nor is there a lack of willingness on this editor's part to run 928 content in Panorama. Why we would run as many 924 and 944 stories as we have but then actively choose to slight the 928 is...well, um...it just doesn't make sense.
As I alluded to in the other thread: It's been my experience over the last 18 years that good 928 content is harder to come by than just about any other Porsche content. I assigned 928 stories to freelancers while I was at Excellence, and most of them came to fruition—though many of them took far longer than they should have. I'll put the number of feature pages on 928s in Excellence between 1997 and 2012 up against any car magazine on the planet.
As to Pano, I actually green-lighted Pablo for a cool 928 story idea he had more than a year ago. If you don't believe me, I can go back and find the email, as I recently did to check in with Pablo, and he's back on it—as he can confirm if he wants to—and I see no reason why it has to interfere with his own venture, which is very cool. I have another 928 story assigned months ago that I am only waiting for text on. An ex-C/D and R&T shooter did a full shoot for it several weeks ago. There's yet another one, but getting a shooter to the location on budget has proven to be a challenge. And then there's yet another 928 piece that has been assigned, but it's "way out there" in the hands of that freelance.
Anyway, the primary point is this: I do want to see 928 content in Pano, and fully agree that the lack of coverage is a problem. I am working to solve that alongside a number of other issues. What I don't get is the "we're unloved"/"let's tell the editor that there are other Porsches besides the 356 and 911" mantra when two of the three Porsches I've owned were/are neither, and the 911 was one of the two I decided not to keep. The one I did? The "unloved" 914. Funny thing is, while many 914 owners tell me PCA and Porsche people don't appreciate the 914, that has rarely been my experience. It's just a cool car, even if it isn't the one most people pick. The 928 is, too.
pete
As I alluded to in the other thread: It's been my experience over the last 18 years that good 928 content is harder to come by than just about any other Porsche content. I assigned 928 stories to freelancers while I was at Excellence, and most of them came to fruition—though many of them took far longer than they should have. I'll put the number of feature pages on 928s in Excellence between 1997 and 2012 up against any car magazine on the planet.
As to Pano, I actually green-lighted Pablo for a cool 928 story idea he had more than a year ago. If you don't believe me, I can go back and find the email, as I recently did to check in with Pablo, and he's back on it—as he can confirm if he wants to—and I see no reason why it has to interfere with his own venture, which is very cool. I have another 928 story assigned months ago that I am only waiting for text on. An ex-C/D and R&T shooter did a full shoot for it several weeks ago. There's yet another one, but getting a shooter to the location on budget has proven to be a challenge. And then there's yet another 928 piece that has been assigned, but it's "way out there" in the hands of that freelance.
Anyway, the primary point is this: I do want to see 928 content in Pano, and fully agree that the lack of coverage is a problem. I am working to solve that alongside a number of other issues. What I don't get is the "we're unloved"/"let's tell the editor that there are other Porsches besides the 356 and 911" mantra when two of the three Porsches I've owned were/are neither, and the 911 was one of the two I decided not to keep. The one I did? The "unloved" 914. Funny thing is, while many 914 owners tell me PCA and Porsche people don't appreciate the 914, that has rarely been my experience. It's just a cool car, even if it isn't the one most people pick. The 928 is, too.
pete
). Look back at when someone commented on a darn Oil Filter for the 928 being advertised from Porsche on the inside cover of Pano. Anything 928 related would give people here a collective woody (and did). I read Pano and appreciate your hard work and the well crafted articles. Would I like to see more 928's within the mag? Sure. But don't take it as a reflection of you being criticized for how you put Pano together each month. My head would explode if I even though about doing something like what you do.
It's cool. We are cool. You are cool (Driving around w Seinfeld? Seriously? That's frigging awesome
)
11-06-2014, 09:58 PM
#56
Rennlist Member
Pete: Easy man. Our collective frustration is not a reflection of any one person (IE You) or the magazine in general. Person opinion, it's simply that as a group of hard core 928-ers, we're disappointed in not seeing more articles on the grand ol' girl (Easy everybody, I simply consider all cars female. Just how I roll ). Look back at when someone commented on a darn Oil Filter for the 928 being advertised from Porsche on the inside cover of Pano. Anything 928 related would give people here a collective woody (and did). I read Pano and appreciate your hard work and the well crafted articles.
Would I like to see more 928's within the mag? Sure. But don't take it as a reflection of you being criticized for how you put Pano together each month. My head would explode if I even though about doing something like what you do.
It's cool. We are cool. You are cool (Driving around w Seinfeld? Seriously? That's frigging awesome)
). Look back at when someone commented on a darn Oil Filter for the 928 being advertised from Porsche on the inside cover of Pano. Anything 928 related would give people here a collective woody (and did). I read Pano and appreciate your hard work and the well crafted articles. Would I like to see more 928's within the mag? Sure. But don't take it as a reflection of you being criticized for how you put Pano together each month. My head would explode if I even though about doing something like what you do.
It's cool. We are cool. You are cool (Driving around w Seinfeld? Seriously? That's frigging awesome
)
As a magazine editor or writer, you have to be when it comes to the forums. I might just be dumber than most editors for engaging in them—but I like forums and use them myself.
11-08-2014, 07:30 PM
#57
Three Wheelin'
I gotta say, just saw the new Panorama cover...completely awesome, exceptional.
Pete Stout, that is bad asssss, if I may say so. Dark and Iconic. Just my cup of tea.
You have taken your share of grief over here, so I wanted you to get you some well deserved kudos as well.
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Now the llama farmer, club racer, high mileage Carrera feature...we may have the talk.
Pete Stout, that is bad asssss, if I may say so. Dark and Iconic. Just my cup of tea.
You have taken your share of grief over here, so I wanted you to get you some well deserved kudos as well.
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Now the llama farmer, club racer, high mileage Carrera feature...we may have the talk.
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11-08-2014, 08:12 PM
#58
Drifting
I like this new cover better.
Just a beautiful picture of a great day and drive.
I like that new prototype though.
Just a beautiful picture of a great day and drive.
I like that new prototype though.
Last edited by The Fixer; 05-02-2015 at 01:16 PM.
11-09-2014, 02:06 PM
#59
Drifting
posted by Jon (Captain Slow) in another similar thread:
It is possible that staff and readers of Excellence don't care about the 928, and some may dislike it. I've never read Excellence - and the rising interest in the 928 is among people who don't read Excellence, either. Fact is all Porsches have been water cooled for a long while now. Now there are high volume Porsches that have front mounted V8s (and an SUV has been their top seller). Who cares about Excellence or any magazine that tends to perpetuate an anachronism. Today the 928 appears to be a rolling "I told you so" statement in terms of forward thinking design. There are many people in their 40s-50s who have less rigidly traditional views about what makes a Porsche a Porsche. They have not been brainwashed by the "groupthink" that says the 911 is the only real Porsche. I teach high school. I find the younger generation loves the 928. Eighteen to 30 year olds today do NOT think a REAL Porsche is exclusively a 911. Many of my students want a Panamera, which I don't understand....it's not even marketed to young people. They drool over the 918 (me too!). A combination of folks like me who admired the 928 as a kid, and younger folks who see it as the predecessor of the Cayenne or Panamera think 928s are very cool. I think the experts surveyed by Classic and Sports Car realize the Porsche demographic that will dictate the future value of cars is broadening, and they consider Porsche's to be more than racers or track cars.
Take a look at Hargerty's 928 valuations as of October 2014. Up again.
http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch
I'm happy if values offset maintenance costs over 10-20 years of ownership (doing most work myself).
+1 Jon, well said.
Regarding those PCA members with cars rarely featured..
In my business if I make promises and don't deliver, don't return a call or get documents promised to the bank,
It wouldn't take long for me to lose those Customers and business connection. I'd lose them immediately.
That's how i see it.
Bored again with this.
It is possible that staff and readers of Excellence don't care about the 928, and some may dislike it. I've never read Excellence - and the rising interest in the 928 is among people who don't read Excellence, either. Fact is all Porsches have been water cooled for a long while now. Now there are high volume Porsches that have front mounted V8s (and an SUV has been their top seller). Who cares about Excellence or any magazine that tends to perpetuate an anachronism. Today the 928 appears to be a rolling "I told you so" statement in terms of forward thinking design. There are many people in their 40s-50s who have less rigidly traditional views about what makes a Porsche a Porsche. They have not been brainwashed by the "groupthink" that says the 911 is the only real Porsche. I teach high school. I find the younger generation loves the 928. Eighteen to 30 year olds today do NOT think a REAL Porsche is exclusively a 911. Many of my students want a Panamera, which I don't understand....it's not even marketed to young people. They drool over the 918 (me too!). A combination of folks like me who admired the 928 as a kid, and younger folks who see it as the predecessor of the Cayenne or Panamera think 928s are very cool. I think the experts surveyed by Classic and Sports Car realize the Porsche demographic that will dictate the future value of cars is broadening, and they consider Porsche's to be more than racers or track cars.
Take a look at Hargerty's 928 valuations as of October 2014. Up again.
http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch
I'm happy if values offset maintenance costs over 10-20 years of ownership (doing most work myself).
+1 Jon, well said.
Regarding those PCA members with cars rarely featured..
In my business if I make promises and don't deliver, don't return a call or get documents promised to the bank,
It wouldn't take long for me to lose those Customers and business connection. I'd lose them immediately.
That's how i see it.
Bored again with this.
Last edited by The Fixer; 11-09-2014 at 07:38 PM. Reason: Clarity
11-10-2014, 01:03 PM
#60
Engaging with the passionate and opinionated 928 community here in this forum is greatly appreciated. I am sure you already have seen the tone change since you posted, kudos to you.
The story that I see that may be of great interest to all Porsche owners is this: The 928 was to replace the 911. That decision and ultimate rejection by Porsche buyers, doomed the 928 to be viewed as a failure rather than the road going triumph. Design, engineering, comfort, sportiness, quality, materials, safety, and performance: is there a peer produced by ANY marque during that time?
The misunderstood 928 is a fascinating story. And I believe Pano should be a champion of 928's as the flagship for 17 years, and all front engine, water cooled achievements 924, 944, 968 in addition to the iconic rear engine cars that made the brand.