Updated Single Page Central Electric Panel Relay, Fuse & Plug Details (All Years)
02-18-2014, 02:45 AM
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I checked the '93 diagram against the CEL cover card and the wiring diagrams.
One result to note that might be applicable to other MY (IIRC I've run across this before) is that the mirror switch is on a different fuse - according to the diagrams - depending upon memory or no-memory.
For seat/mirror memory it's on fuse 25 (not 40.)
Differences from CEL card:
Fuse 17: add Alarm and Turn Signal (switch I assume, but not shown in WSM)
Fuse 25: clock and diagnosis circuit
Differences from WSM:
Fuse 10: add stop light switch
Fuse 17: add Alarm
Fuse 27: Hazard and Turn Signal Switch(es)
Fuse 41: clock (yes, another one, and no, the bulb feeds through dimmer)
One result to note that might be applicable to other MY (IIRC I've run across this before) is that the mirror switch is on a different fuse - according to the diagrams - depending upon memory or no-memory.
For seat/mirror memory it's on fuse 25 (not 40.)
Differences from CEL card:
Fuse 17: add Alarm and Turn Signal (switch I assume, but not shown in WSM)
Fuse 25: clock and diagnosis circuit
Differences from WSM:
Fuse 10: add stop light switch
Fuse 17: add Alarm
Fuse 27: Hazard and Turn Signal Switch(es)
Fuse 41: clock (yes, another one, and no, the bulb feeds through dimmer)
Alan
02-18-2014, 12:56 PM
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As I have noted before - I'm not going to update/republish the diagrams loaded here until later - all in one go, rebuilding the diagrams takes time and many changes will have broad impact across many years.
However - so you aren't checking things known to be wrong - I'm going to maintain one post here with known/pending changes and applicability to year, so you don't need to trawl through and interpret other existing FB.
Please check there to see if there are known issues that will affect what you are checking. I'll continue to update just that one post so there will be only one place to look.
I'll update this later today.
Alan
However - so you aren't checking things known to be wrong - I'm going to maintain one post here with known/pending changes and applicability to year, so you don't need to trawl through and interpret other existing FB.
Please check there to see if there are known issues that will affect what you are checking. I'll continue to update just that one post so there will be only one place to look.
I'll update this later today.
Alan
02-18-2014, 05:53 PM
#78
I'll take care of the USA '87!
Tally List (so far - add yourselves): (• = completed & FB recvd).
78 - LT Texan (Dan)
79 - ROG100 (Roger)
80 -
81 - Jeff Bowlsby (Jeff)
82 - ROG100 (Roger)
83 -
84 -
85 -
86 - neilh (Neil)
86.5 - Hernanca (Carlos)
87 - PRC928 (Paul)
• 88 - Martins (Martin) (CA)
89 - Bill Ball (Bill)
90 - Ed Scherer (Ed)
91 - rbrtmchl (Bob)
• 92 - the flyin' scotsman (Malcolm) (CA)
• 93 - worf928 (Dave)
94 - Gary Knox (Gary)
95 -
Other ROW cars:
78 - ROG100 (Roger)
79 -
80 - ROG100 (Roger)
81 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
82 - Dave928S (Dave)
83 - jp (John)
84 - neilh (Neil)
85 - Mrmerlin (Stan)/ Wisconsin Joe (Joe)
86 -
87 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
88 - ROG100 (Roger)
89 - Leon Speed (Aryan)
90 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
91 -
92 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
93 -
94 - Arnoud (Arnoud)
95 - Dave928S (Dave)
Tally List (so far - add yourselves): (• = completed & FB recvd).
78 - LT Texan (Dan)
79 - ROG100 (Roger)
80 -
81 - Jeff Bowlsby (Jeff)
82 - ROG100 (Roger)
83 -
84 -
85 -
86 - neilh (Neil)
86.5 - Hernanca (Carlos)
87 - PRC928 (Paul)
• 88 - Martins (Martin) (CA)
89 - Bill Ball (Bill)
90 - Ed Scherer (Ed)
91 - rbrtmchl (Bob)
• 92 - the flyin' scotsman (Malcolm) (CA)
• 93 - worf928 (Dave)
94 - Gary Knox (Gary)
95 -
Other ROW cars:
78 - ROG100 (Roger)
79 -
80 - ROG100 (Roger)
81 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
82 - Dave928S (Dave)
83 - jp (John)
84 - neilh (Neil)
85 - Mrmerlin (Stan)/ Wisconsin Joe (Joe)
86 -
87 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
88 - ROG100 (Roger)
89 - Leon Speed (Aryan)
90 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
91 -
92 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
93 -
94 - Arnoud (Arnoud)
95 - Dave928S (Dave)
02-18-2014, 10:52 PM
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Possible fly in the ointment Re Roger doing the 88ROW, Presumably his UK delivered 88SE. This was originally equipped with DLR with the H4 headlight bulb running at approx half power peculiar to the UK and only affects I think some '87, '88 and possibly some '89s.
I don't recall if there was a wiring harness change for this with possible consequent changes to Fuses and Relays, but there is definitely a separate coding plug in the harness and a separate Magic Box to reduce the power to the Dipped Beam Bulb.
It may be beneficial to find someone with a non UK '88 to cross check this. Sadly I can't help as my '88 is also an SE - so similarly afflicted.
For those unaware of this UK only mod, Turn the lights to position I and the Headlights pop up with the H4 dipped beam element burning at about 1/2 power. Turn to position II and the lights work as normal.
I don't recall if there was a wiring harness change for this with possible consequent changes to Fuses and Relays, but there is definitely a separate coding plug in the harness and a separate Magic Box to reduce the power to the Dipped Beam Bulb.
It may be beneficial to find someone with a non UK '88 to cross check this. Sadly I can't help as my '88 is also an SE - so similarly afflicted.
For those unaware of this UK only mod, Turn the lights to position I and the Headlights pop up with the H4 dipped beam element burning at about 1/2 power. Turn to position II and the lights work as normal.
02-19-2014, 02:09 AM
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Possible fly in the ointment Re Roger doing the 88ROW, Presumably his UK delivered 88SE. This was originally equipped with DLR with the H4 headlight bulb running at approx half power peculiar to the UK and only affects I think some '87, '88 and possibly some '89s.
I don't recall if there was a wiring harness change for this with possible consequent changes to Fuses and Relays, but there is definitely a separate coding plug in the harness and a separate Magic Box to reduce the power to the Dipped Beam Bulb.
It may be beneficial to find someone with a non UK '88 to cross check this. Sadly I can't help as my '88 is also an SE - so similarly afflicted.
For those unaware of this UK only mod, Turn the lights to position I and the Headlights pop up with the H4 dipped beam element burning at about 1/2 power. Turn to position II and the lights work as normal.
I don't recall if there was a wiring harness change for this with possible consequent changes to Fuses and Relays, but there is definitely a separate coding plug in the harness and a separate Magic Box to reduce the power to the Dipped Beam Bulb.
It may be beneficial to find someone with a non UK '88 to cross check this. Sadly I can't help as my '88 is also an SE - so similarly afflicted.
For those unaware of this UK only mod, Turn the lights to position I and the Headlights pop up with the H4 dipped beam element burning at about 1/2 power. Turn to position II and the lights work as normal.
Thanks for the heads up on it anyway - all good to highlight... for ROW (UK) we need to call it out under HL relay
Alan
Last edited by Alan; 02-19-2014 at 10:15 AM.
02-19-2014, 04:56 AM
#81
Claiming USA '84...
I'll take care of the USA '87!
Tally List (so far - add yourselves): (• = completed & FB recvd).
78 - LT Texan (Dan)
79 - ROG100 (Roger)
80 -
81 - Jeff Bowlsby (Jeff)
82 - ROG100 (Roger)
83 -
84 - yaskota (Tom)
85 -
86 - neilh (Neil)
86.5 - Hernanca (Carlos)
87 - PRC928 (Paul)
• 88 - Martins (Martin) (CA)
89 - Bill Ball (Bill)
90 - Ed Scherer (Ed)
91 - rbrtmchl (Bob)
• 92 - the flyin' scotsman (Malcolm) (CA)
• 93 - worf928 (Dave)
94 - Gary Knox (Gary)
95 -
Other ROW cars:
78 - ROG100 (Roger)
79 -
80 - ROG100 (Roger)
81 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
82 - Dave928S (Dave)
83 - jp (John)
84 - neilh (Neil)
85 - Mrmerlin (Stan)/ Wisconsin Joe (Joe)
86 -
87 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
88 - ROG100 (Roger)
89 - Leon Speed (Aryan)
90 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
91 -
92 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
93 -
94 - Arnoud (Arnoud)
95 - Dave928S (Dave)
Tally List (so far - add yourselves): (• = completed & FB recvd).
78 - LT Texan (Dan)
79 - ROG100 (Roger)
80 -
81 - Jeff Bowlsby (Jeff)
82 - ROG100 (Roger)
83 -
84 - yaskota (Tom)
85 -
86 - neilh (Neil)
86.5 - Hernanca (Carlos)
87 - PRC928 (Paul)
• 88 - Martins (Martin) (CA)
89 - Bill Ball (Bill)
90 - Ed Scherer (Ed)
91 - rbrtmchl (Bob)
• 92 - the flyin' scotsman (Malcolm) (CA)
• 93 - worf928 (Dave)
94 - Gary Knox (Gary)
95 -
Other ROW cars:
78 - ROG100 (Roger)
79 -
80 - ROG100 (Roger)
81 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
82 - Dave928S (Dave)
83 - jp (John)
84 - neilh (Neil)
85 - Mrmerlin (Stan)/ Wisconsin Joe (Joe)
86 -
87 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
88 - ROG100 (Roger)
89 - Leon Speed (Aryan)
90 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
91 -
92 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
93 -
94 - Arnoud (Arnoud)
95 - Dave928S (Dave)
02-19-2014, 10:18 AM
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Tally List (so far - add yourselves): (• = completed & FB recvd).
78 - LT Texan (Dan)
79 - ROG100 (Roger)
80 -
81 - Jeff Bowlsby (Jeff)
82 - ROG100 (Roger)
83 - Fogey1 (Will)
84 - yaskota (Tom)
85 - WyattsRide (Rick)
86 - neilh (Neil)
86.5 - Hernanca (Carlos)
87 - PRC928 (Paul)
• 88 - Martins (Martin) (CA)
89 - Bill Ball (Bill)
90 - Ed Scherer (Ed)
• 91 - rbrtmchl (Bob)
• 92 - the flyin' scotsman (Malcolm) (CA)
• 93 - worf928 (Dave)
94 - Gary Knox (Gary)
95 -
Other ROW cars:
78 - ROG100 (Roger)
79 -
80 - ROG100 (Roger)
81 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
82 - Dave928S (Dave)
83 - jp (John)
84 - neilh (Neil)
85 - Mrmerlin (Stan)/ Wisconsin Joe (Joe)
86 - heliflyer (Jay)
87 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
88 - ROG100 (Roger)
89 - Leon Speed (Aryan)
90 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
91 - Kiwi928S4 (Ken)
92 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
93 -
94 - Arnoud (Arnoud)
95 - Dave928S (Dave)
Alan
78 - LT Texan (Dan)
79 - ROG100 (Roger)
80 -
81 - Jeff Bowlsby (Jeff)
82 - ROG100 (Roger)
83 - Fogey1 (Will)
84 - yaskota (Tom)
85 - WyattsRide (Rick)
86 - neilh (Neil)
86.5 - Hernanca (Carlos)
87 - PRC928 (Paul)
• 88 - Martins (Martin) (CA)
89 - Bill Ball (Bill)
90 - Ed Scherer (Ed)
• 91 - rbrtmchl (Bob)
• 92 - the flyin' scotsman (Malcolm) (CA)
• 93 - worf928 (Dave)
94 - Gary Knox (Gary)
95 -
Other ROW cars:
78 - ROG100 (Roger)
79 -
80 - ROG100 (Roger)
81 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
82 - Dave928S (Dave)
83 - jp (John)
84 - neilh (Neil)
85 - Mrmerlin (Stan)/ Wisconsin Joe (Joe)
86 - heliflyer (Jay)
87 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
88 - ROG100 (Roger)
89 - Leon Speed (Aryan)
90 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
91 - Kiwi928S4 (Ken)
92 - Vilhuer (Erkka)
93 -
94 - Arnoud (Arnoud)
95 - Dave928S (Dave)
Alan
Last edited by Alan; 02-20-2014 at 10:17 AM.
02-19-2014, 10:55 AM
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Alan, I'll take MY 85.
02-19-2014, 12:31 PM
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Alan, just found an interesting discrepancy in the 81/82 info, see my post:
https://rennlist.com/forums/11147391-post5.html
My source is the 928 Electrical Troubleshooting and Repair 928S doc, PCNA Service Info P90. ( see below)
https://rennlist.com/forums/11147391-post5.html
My source is the 928 Electrical Troubleshooting and Repair 928S doc, PCNA Service Info P90. ( see below)
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02-19-2014, 02:28 PM
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02-19-2014, 11:13 PM
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