To buy a 928GTS or not
#31
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Take it from someone who has owned both a 928 and a 993. Keep the 993 and pass on the 928 unless you love it. Passion is the only reason to own a 928. Otherwise, you'll regret the swap. The 993 is a better value proposition and will always have a far larger market when it comes time to sell it. I'm also looking for a pristine GTS but not at Willhoit price levels.
#32
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You own therefor have obviously driven the 993. Go drive a GTS, go drive an S4. Buy the one you like driving and like to looks and color, drive it, take good care of it, and forget about future resale, it will take care of itself. Unless you have the money and space to store cars buying a car for investment is just not practical.
I got my GTS 5 speed from Willhoit. It had 42K miles and suspension mods, but other wise pristine stock. Got it for a great price not a premium despite a premium price color of Iris Blue Metallic.
This was the ad photo.
I've since modded wheels, motor, and exhaust. It now has 72K miles on it and I would not expect to sell it for a penny less than I paid for it 4 years ago. in fact I've had several people tell me they want 1st dibs if I ever decided to sell it.
Oh yeah, it always makes me smile to drive it and almost always get "Nice Car" comments where ever I stop.
I got my GTS 5 speed from Willhoit. It had 42K miles and suspension mods, but other wise pristine stock. Got it for a great price not a premium despite a premium price color of Iris Blue Metallic.
This was the ad photo.
I've since modded wheels, motor, and exhaust. It now has 72K miles on it and I would not expect to sell it for a penny less than I paid for it 4 years ago. in fact I've had several people tell me they want 1st dibs if I ever decided to sell it.
Oh yeah, it always makes me smile to drive it and almost always get "Nice Car" comments where ever I stop.
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Food for thought - I bought my 93 GTS in 2003 - so 10 years ago - I paid $28k for it.
I have put a lot of money into it as any other car of the era would require.
I believe I could still get $28k today - not an investment by any means but holding its value.
All I see is the values of low mile good cars going up and up - crap cars have bottomed out in value or have actually risen a little.
Totaled cars are going up in value - try buying one at auction for a couple of grand like a few years ago.
The GTS is the pinnacle of German engineering of the 928 line and with less than 400 in the States should maintain values even for daily drivers. I would never give garage room to a 993 as it is a totally different car and not a GT. If I wanted to roller skate I would go to the rink. I am sure it is a nice race car but compared to a 928 GTS - sorry no contest. The GTS is in a totally different league.
I have put a lot of money into it as any other car of the era would require.
I believe I could still get $28k today - not an investment by any means but holding its value.
All I see is the values of low mile good cars going up and up - crap cars have bottomed out in value or have actually risen a little.
Totaled cars are going up in value - try buying one at auction for a couple of grand like a few years ago.
The GTS is the pinnacle of German engineering of the 928 line and with less than 400 in the States should maintain values even for daily drivers. I would never give garage room to a 993 as it is a totally different car and not a GT. If I wanted to roller skate I would go to the rink. I am sure it is a nice race car but compared to a 928 GTS - sorry no contest. The GTS is in a totally different league.
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928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
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Tom,
I know what you paid for your car a few years ago.
I also know what it is worth today - a lot more than you paid for it.
I call that a reasonable return on investment in a crap period of the economy.
Roger
I know what you paid for your car a few years ago.
I also know what it is worth today - a lot more than you paid for it.
I call that a reasonable return on investment in a crap period of the economy.
Roger
#36
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Would consider selling my 94 GTS auto with 45,000 miles. Tastefully modified and lovingly restored.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...new-color.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...4-928-gts.html
Somewhere in between the going market for a lower mile GTS and Wilhoit prices. No expense spared on this car. pm 77tony if interested.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...new-color.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...4-928-gts.html
Take it from someone who has owned both a 928 and a 993. Keep the 993 and pass on the 928 unless you love it. Passion is the only reason to own a 928. Otherwise, you'll regret the swap. The 993 is a better value proposition and will always have a far larger market when it comes time to sell it. I'm also looking for a pristine GTS but not at Willhoit price levels.
#37
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No worries on the clutch, I've seen cars with higher miles still on the original clutch, at 64k I doubt it's even half worn.
The exhaust has a flowmaster rear muffler, and I doubt given it's placement, and muffler choice it has been done properly. Given that, you are going to want to go through that car with a fine tooth comb. I would say without looking at it, that GTS shown is a mid $20k car at best as it will need a lot of work.
Some tasteful mods can increase the price, but what I can see with the exhaust, and rear reflector, those are signs that it was not given the utmost care that it deserved and will require deferred maintenance.
The exhaust has a flowmaster rear muffler, and I doubt given it's placement, and muffler choice it has been done properly. Given that, you are going to want to go through that car with a fine tooth comb. I would say without looking at it, that GTS shown is a mid $20k car at best as it will need a lot of work.
Some tasteful mods can increase the price, but what I can see with the exhaust, and rear reflector, those are signs that it was not given the utmost care that it deserved and will require deferred maintenance.
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I can't see GTS values going down anymore. Might not go up much in next few years if economy remains bad but times must get really tough for them to fall any further Especially in USA since number of cars is really low compared to demand. Only thing keeping prices down is availability of earlier models like S4. Price difference between good S4 and GTS can't get too big or people will just buy S4 or GT. If this particular GTS is worth its asking price is another matter altogether.
#39
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To the OP, just curious, what's your 993 worth?
#41
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I am negotiating a deal for my 993 in the high 30s. The dealer in Miami that has a potential buyer says he would consign in the low to mid 40s and it would sell rather quickly. He knows this car well as he has sold it before and has all the history. He also knows me since I traded another 911 Targa I had to him for the 993 and it was mint. He knows how meticulous and particular I am.
So the 928 S4 is high in price, but it is worth it if I plan to drive sparingly and enjoy it? If and when I would sell, might it bring back $24K?
Thanks all for the continued input and wisdom.
So the 928 S4 is high in price, but it is worth it if I plan to drive sparingly and enjoy it? If and when I would sell, might it bring back $24K?
Thanks all for the continued input and wisdom.
#42
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I have owned both a 993 NA and a 993TT as well as multiple 928s. They are very different cars and I like both. The 993 will probably be more reliable since the oldest is newer than the newest 928. If you are doing the swap based on resale, then the 993 is probably where you should stay. They will always have a good resale quite easily. 928s are more of a niche car, but with a good following.
If you want a comfortable cruiser with torque and sound, then give the 928 a shot. I remember when I got my current 928s Euro a few years ago. I drove it home 6 hours and it felt so different than the 993 Turbo I had at that time. Very similar weight, but the 993TT was much lighter feeling and definitely faster. The 928 was much more comfortable cruising. In the end, it all depends on what you are looking for in the car.... 928 is better in some aspects, 993 is better in others.
If you want a comfortable cruiser with torque and sound, then give the 928 a shot. I remember when I got my current 928s Euro a few years ago. I drove it home 6 hours and it felt so different than the 993 Turbo I had at that time. Very similar weight, but the 993TT was much lighter feeling and definitely faster. The 928 was much more comfortable cruising. In the end, it all depends on what you are looking for in the car.... 928 is better in some aspects, 993 is better in others.
#43
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If you want a 928 with the most potential for increasing in value, then you should probably go with a GTS (or an early '78 with pascha).
My dad will sell his for $50K.
My dad will sell his for $50K.
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