86 Mossgreen Metallic 5 Speed Continues
#376
Drifting
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Upper bell housing bolts should both be the same size and pitch ( 12x1.5x50). Did not notice these were not the same pitch when I removed them from the old motor, only noticed when Stephen and I were installing them into the new motor:
Luckily, the local independent hardware store has a surprisingly good metric selection ( much better than Lowes or Home Depot)
Luckily, the local independent hardware store has a surprisingly good metric selection ( much better than Lowes or Home Depot)
#377
Inventor
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The sensor on the bell-housing (grey wire) was/will never be used. It can be removed and the hole plugged. (TDC sensor for a factory diagnostic machine.)
#378
Drifting
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Already gone, but not sure what to plug hole with. I could just cut the wire and use old sensor body..
#379
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Someone should make some little aluminum block-off plates...I've needed a few before... hmmm...
#380
Drifting
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#381
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Someone could 3D print something that would fit nicely... >Hans<
I figure my laser place would charge me less than a buck each for fifty 1/8" aluminum plates. (Roger would probably dig this.)
I figure my laser place would charge me less than a buck each for fifty 1/8" aluminum plates. (Roger would probably dig this.)
#382
Team Owner
I JB welded a quarter to that RPM sensor hole, works a treat,
you will never know its on the housing till the air cleaner is removed
you will never know its on the housing till the air cleaner is removed
#383
Drifting
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#384
Drifting
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On a serious note, next time I pull a motor, since you have to drop clutch anyhow, I think I will leave bellhousing connected during pull, and just disconnect at torque tube instead. Even with the correct wrenches, top bellhousing bolts are a pain, but with clutch out, torque tube<>Bellhousing bolts are easy.
#385
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In other lessons learned:
1. When I pulled the motor, I had the lift come over the side;
2. When Stephen and I dropped the "new' motor in, we came in from the front.
Next time, I will do both from the side. With my lift at the front, the jack piston is right at the front bumper, risking damage to bumper. I had plenty of clearance from the side to get the motor over the fender, even with car up on liftbars at jackstand lowest settings.
I was at 1/2 ton setting on lift, and got plenty of height.
Also, since then connection across the load leveler is to the diagonal lift points, a strap around the lift arm down to belt pulleys is useful for true fore-aft leveling when dropping the motor in, as load leveler adjustment also causes left-right movement.
1. When I pulled the motor, I had the lift come over the side;
2. When Stephen and I dropped the "new' motor in, we came in from the front.
Next time, I will do both from the side. With my lift at the front, the jack piston is right at the front bumper, risking damage to bumper. I had plenty of clearance from the side to get the motor over the fender, even with car up on liftbars at jackstand lowest settings.
I was at 1/2 ton setting on lift, and got plenty of height.
Also, since then connection across the load leveler is to the diagonal lift points, a strap around the lift arm down to belt pulleys is useful for true fore-aft leveling when dropping the motor in, as load leveler adjustment also causes left-right movement.
#386
Team Owner
the bell housing will hit the firewall when you try to remove the engine with bell attached
#387
Drifting
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Drat. But not the end of the world. That does mean you really do need the correct wrenches, or the top bell housing bolts will make you eat a bullet.
is what I used.
Edit:
More discussion of bell housing bolts can be found here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ing-bolts.html
Last edited by KenRudd; 02-22-2017 at 10:22 AM.
#388
Burning Brakes
Even with all the room available in front of motor with radiator and fan off?
Drat. But not the end of the world. That does mean you really do need the correct wrenches, or the top bell housing bolts will make you eat a bullet.
Mountain (MTNRM6) 5 Piece Metric Double Box Universal Spline Reversible Ratcheting Wrench Set is what I used.
Drat. But not the end of the world. That does mean you really do need the correct wrenches, or the top bell housing bolts will make you eat a bullet.
Mountain (MTNRM6) 5 Piece Metric Double Box Universal Spline Reversible Ratcheting Wrench Set is what I used.
#389
Drifting
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Some other interesting differences between the '85 S3 motor and the '86 S3. The '85 dip stick is the ugly bent coat hanger style. You can't even easily upgrade it with the '86 dipstick because they are different lengths:
Why is that? Different tube lengths:
Why not just swap the tube too? Can't do that because the tube mounting scheme is entirely different and require a whole different center belt cover:
'85 Cover:
Versus the '86 cover. Note the extra bulge and mounting point for dip stick tube?
Why is that? Different tube lengths:
Why not just swap the tube too? Can't do that because the tube mounting scheme is entirely different and require a whole different center belt cover:
'85 Cover:
Versus the '86 cover. Note the extra bulge and mounting point for dip stick tube?
#390
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More on Dipstick: Some decent searching provide more background.
Apparently there is a TSB on earlier dipsticks, as the length and oil capacity was changed:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-markings.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...b-dipstick.pdf
My '86 Dipstick apparently has the same blade length as the S4+ dipsticks, just with a handle designed to burn you when checking oil at the track:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...fferences.html
Carl may have a replacement that is better than the coat hanger style:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ip-sticks.html
https://www.928motorsports.com/parts...d_dipstick.php
Apparently there is a TSB on earlier dipsticks, as the length and oil capacity was changed:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-markings.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...b-dipstick.pdf
My '86 Dipstick apparently has the same blade length as the S4+ dipsticks, just with a handle designed to burn you when checking oil at the track:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...fferences.html
Carl may have a replacement that is better than the coat hanger style:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ip-sticks.html
https://www.928motorsports.com/parts...d_dipstick.php