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Old 01-22-2013, 01:28 PM
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Would something like this also address the oil consumption problem of my 92' GTS?
Old 01-22-2013, 01:33 PM
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No. But it will exacerbate your wheelspin problem.
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Having 7 litres instead of 5.4 with the stock breather system on a GTS would not be an improvement, I would wager it would make the problem far worse.
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I'll wait patiently then. My 928 isn't going anywhere.
Old 01-22-2013, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasDude74
From the looks of that blower pistons height, isn't it time to reconsider the stroke limits as well? Looks like there's another half a liter being left on the table for a N/A build. Have you developed a port program yet for large non supercharged engines?
4.25x4.00 would be 454 cid, which is about 0.4L more than 4.25x3.75 or 426 cid. It's hard to think of what parts of the block, girdle, and the pan the crankshaft and rods would _not_ hit if you'd go to the 4" stroke. ;-) Still, with enough determination and money anything can be done.
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4.1" is not an uncommon stroke on a GM LS and can be spun to 7k rpm. That works out to 465ci/7.6L.
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Originally Posted by 123quattro
4.1" is not an uncommon stroke on a GM LS and can be spun to 7k rpm. That works out to 465ci/7.6L.
In case this is in response to my post, I didn't mean that it would break at high rpm. I meant that you'd actually have to clearance the girdle, pan, and the block in a major way for a 4" stroke crankshaft with rods attached to freely rotate in the 928 crankcase. Not that I am an expert in strokers, just that I've seen photos of the fit with a 3.75" stroker cranks.
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Very interesting development. As block cracking is a worry would adding block concrete help? Water depth can be reduced without problems I think.
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very nice. could they be used with out the stroker cranks?
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Tuomo, I only meant 4.1" is a common stroke for a crankshaft. Obviously that would require even more machining.

Erkka, if you fill the block it will be stronger, but also run hotter. If you do a half fill on a block you need to run a big oil cooler to offset the cooling loss.
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Unless there is a reason to use the 928 motor IE:
needs to be there to race a class or just want original, there is another option.
Something like an all aluminum big block Chevy
easily makes 600 hp, doesn't require a custom Moldex crank, has an oiling system that works, uses readily avail pistons, heads that will flow for 454 cid. etc.
http://www.donovanengineering.com/Blocks/Dscn4464.jpg
Engine weight with aluminum block/ heads is
550 +-
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How do you seal the liners in the bottom of the block? I think this was an issue Bob Devore had wrestled with in his 2 valve engine development back in the early Devek days.
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Originally Posted by Jim Devine
Unless there is a reason to use the 928 motor IE:
needs to be there to race a class or just want original, there is another option.
Something like an all aluminum big block Chevy
easily makes 600 hp, doesn't require a custom Moldex crank, has an oiling system that works, uses readily avail pistons, heads that will flow for 454 cid. etc.
http://www.donovanengineering.com/Blocks/Dscn4464.jpg
Engine weight with aluminum block/ heads is
550 +-
Everyone here has been beaten over the head with chevy options, this thread is about big block porsches.
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Yes, the big bore sleeves could be done with a stock crank if you want, no problem.

The stroker crank we are using has a 3.75" stroke, and we have to do light die-grinding on some cradles to clear casting flanges out of the way for that. It just fits. I have my doubts I could get a 4.0" stroke crank to spin in a 928 - but I haven't tried. Just saying the 3.75" is pretty damn tight.
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By the time you're done with a BBC in decent fettle(+500HP), you're around $9k or more. Then, add the cost of putting that in the 928 and it's starting to sound like real money. If you already have a 5/5.4L Porsche block with reasonable condition, I can't see changing to a BBC for any reason.

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