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Alan 01-20-2013 02:50 AM

Driver (& Pass) Door Handle Hinge Replacement - How To w/ Photos (long)
 
Before Christmas my driver's door handle hinge broke - resulting in an inability to open the door from outside, still locks & unlocks fine and opens from inside - but its a bit embarassing having to open the passenger door - open the drivers window and then walk around and reach through the window to get in... (glad I have the ROW window config...).

BTW the door handle feels almost normal (just a little bit less spring tension) - if your handle is really loose feeling or floppy on one end this is a different issue - likely either loose handle screws - or a broken handle part.

Changing this hinge out is a real PITA (& back..) - here are some follow-along notes with photos to help if you have to go down this path. If you have good tools and all the equipment you need allow about 3-4 hours.

There are good descriptions elsewhere of how to get the door inner cover off - so follow those, if you've never done it before don't wing it - it isn't that obvious, you could break something.

Do stock up on panel fasteners: 433 867 299A - White 823 867 299 - Black. But it doesn't really matter which you get. These are generic parts lookf for them at good Ace hardware or local upholstry stores - pretty widely available (and much cheaper if you buy generic in bulk).

Some will break for sure, get some before you start - also get a small upholstry pry tool - its the best way to get them out - behind the panel pry on the fastener skirt not the panel... easy enough.

Of course you also need the handle hinge :
Driver side (LHD): 928.537.063.04
Passenger side (LHD) 928.537.064.04

This project is basically the same either side, but the pictures are drivers side.

With the inner door exposed peel back the plastic skin panel at the rear top to expose the lock area:

http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04213s.JPG

Security Plate - must be removed:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04214s.JPG

Remove two easy access screws:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04215s.JPG

http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04216s.JPG

With the window up - loosen (do not remove) the bolt behind the bottom left of the security plate - Look underneath. The plate can rotate forward from under the bolt... This one was extremely awkward...took me 15 minutes to figure out what size it was (here's 15 minutes back... its a 13mm head). Looking at it via a mirror - the head looked bigger than it was... and I only had one 13mm open ended wrench.. the one in the 928 tool kit (...first time for everything)

http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04218s.JPG

Remove the cable clips - use regular pliers to pinch the plastic behind the panel to release.
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04220s.JPG

Here is the plate out of the car: (you can remove it with the window up - just). Be careful moving the window when the plate is loose

The front in the installed orientation:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04241s.JPG
From the Rear:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04242s.JPG
Showing the rear hook that goes on the bolt head:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04243s.JPG

Wind the window down

You can now see the hinge - here are the rightmost 3 of the 4 fasteners:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04222s.JPG

The outside pair are allen head machine bolts that connect to the handle part, the inside 2 are 10mm nuts that fasten the hinge to the door via captive bolts on the door. Here are the left most 2 of 4:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04223s.JPG

Remove the swivel adjustable link - the bottom is easiest to remove - use a medium flat blade screwdriver to pop it off:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04224s.JPG

Tape the handle to the car so it cant fall off:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04227s.JPG

Remove the handle (outer) connections first (the right side is easy - straight shot):
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04225s.JPG

Its easiest if you lubricate all these just after you break them free - that way you can do more work with your fingers - room for tools is very tight...

The left side is much more challenging:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04226s.JPG

Then remove the hinge - the 10mm nuts are easier (still fiddly). This hinge is broken in the typical - weak spot - position:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04229s.JPG

Here are the handle ends in situ:

http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04230s.JPG
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04231s.JPG

Replacement parts:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04232s.JPG

Heres the handle removed from its natural habitat:
http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04234s.JPG

Reassembly is the opposite flow - Generally I found reassembly to be quicker (everything was clean and lubed and moved much more easily

The only part harder than dissassembly was getting the security plate back in. It barely fits so its awkward anyway - and the bolt behind the plate has a washer under it - this is a horrible choice - getting the plate back under it is very difficult...

Porsche should have just used a bolt with a flanged head... :soapbox:

Anyway as a solution I taped the washer to the head (slightly) with masking tape and used the tape as a "ramp" to get the plate's flage under the bolt/washer - helped a lot.

Many have left the security plate out - I can see why now... :surr:

http://www.moore-fun.net/images/Driv.../DSC04244s.JPG

Great to be able to just open the door again :D

Alan

9two8 01-20-2013 09:54 AM

Did this PITA job two years ago, and looking at your pics it looks a lot easier than my UK RHD car.., there is pressed sheet metal covering the whole area where yours is (totally different inner door skin) , so in reality I was working completely blind.. you can.t even see the A/T plate.

H,mm different doors.., for different shores ???

Ken
80 928 S
5 Speed

UK

Dean_Fuller 01-20-2013 11:12 AM

Great write up Alan...I have done both doors on my car but will have more to replace soon. It is a tight fit in there and those with big hands...even worse. I have rather small hands and that helps.

Alan 01-20-2013 11:19 AM

Probably the same across shores but different by years... I have no idea when the change happened but maybe someone can chime in? Actually now I think about it - I wonder if the side protection beam is different for ROW cars - that might change this...

This was really a pain, but turns out I had all the tools needed - but some tools I thought would be good just didn't fit.

I also stocked up on sound insulation panels (second skin) and door panel reinforcements (928 Intl)so those will also go in before its all done (mostly completed now).

Alan

jcorenman 01-20-2013 11:23 AM

Great pic's. Alan! That's not easy with black cars, light just get absorbed or turned into nasty reflections.

And many thanks for the writeup, I've filed it away, I am sure it will come in handy!

:cheers:

Mrmerlin 01-20-2013 11:24 AM

Nice writeup Alan, and great pictures.
I would add a few ideas to your post.

before removing the hinge plate,
tape the door handle into position and leave it there, Use Blue tape as Alan has done.
I put tape longways so the handle wont move,
this way, it will not require any adjustment when the new hinge is installed.
The tape holds the door handle in place.

Just make sure the handle is centered in the handle cutout prior to taping it.

After installing the new hinge, spray lube the door striker/latch mechanism from inside the door.
Use good quality oil not WD40,
this should let the mechanism work with less effort thus lessening the chance of breaking the new hinge.

Make sure to adjust the small tierod so the handle opens the latch sooner rather than later.
This will lessen the chance of snapping the new part

To open the door lift the handle till the door unlatches then without pulling up any further on the handle, open the door by pulling outwards on the handle instead of up.
After replacing one of these hinges you will be more cognizant of how you open the door

This may seem silly but it will lessen the amount of strain placed on your new hinge plate.

Alan Thanks again for taking the time to post these great pictures and writeup

Ken it would be interesting to see the cover that your talking about,
I would think that the theft covers are similar, and you may not have realized it could be removed to swap out the hinge on the right door.
But hey I have never seen the inside of a RHD car door, so maybe you can teach us something.

Landseer 01-20-2013 11:39 AM

Great write up and pictures. Thank you

Alan 01-20-2013 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by jcorenman (Post 10157828)
Great pic's. Alan! That's not easy with black cars, light just get absorbed or turned into nasty reflections...

Jim - too right, ended up using my SLR with my best wide angle lens and a really bright LED flashlight. Very awkward to get access for all that in the places it needed to go, probably added a good extra 30 minutes to the whole process - getting a clear focus on the item of interest is challenging when there is so much 'junk' in the way, (too challenging sometimes it turned out!).

You'll note no tools are depicted, I didn't have any hands left or room available to do the "Dwayne style shots"

Aside from my intent to help others with the same ailment, (I had a write up that helped a bit - but no pictures - so when it says "undo the 2 screws" you don't know which ones...) I know that I will almost certainly need to do my passenger side at some point later... and with memory being what it is... ;)

I think I could shave about 45mins off next time...

Alan

9two8 01-20-2013 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by Mrmerlin (Post 10157831)
Nice writeup Alan, and great pictures.
I would add a few ideas to your post.

before removing the hinge plate,
tape the door handle into position and leave it there, Use Blue tape as Alan has done.
I put tape longways so the handle wont move,
this way, it will not require any adjustment when the new hinge is installed.
The tape holds the door handle in place.

Just make sure the handle is centered in the handle cutout prior to taping it.

After installing the new hinge, spray lube the door striker/latch mechanism from inside the door.
Use good quality oil not WD40,
this should let the mechanism work with less effort thus lessening the chance of breaking the new hinge.

Make sure to adjust the small tierod so the handle opens the latch sooner rather than later.
This will lessen the chance of snapping the new part

To open the door lift the handle till the door unlatches then without pulling up any further on the handle, open the door by pulling outwards on the handle instead of up.
After replacing one of these hinges you will be more cognizant of how you open the door

This may seem silly but it will lessen the amount of strain placed on your new hinge plate.

Alan Thanks again for taking the time to post these great pictures and writeup

Ken it would be interesting to see the cover that your talking about,
I would think that the theft covers are similar, and you may not have realized it could be removed to swap out the hinge on the right door.
But hey I have never seen the inside of a RHD car door, so maybe you can teach us something.

.., your right Stan the theft covers are the same ( I never re-fitted it ) as it was a right pita to get out, even more so with the deeper door section. Basically it looks the same as Allans but with a less bigger access area section which covers two thirds further down that opening, and consequently limited access to the handle carrier and theft plate directly over the handle/mechanism area. I remember at the time thinking, if only that exact area had been not so deep it would have been easier. Next time I,m in there I,ll get a pic. but hope it won,t be any time soon (ha-ha !)


Ken
80 928 S
5 Speed

UK

Alan 01-21-2013 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Mrmerlin (Post 10157831)
... Before removing the hinge plate,
tape the door handle into position and leave it there, Use Blue tape as Alan has done.
I put tape longways so the handle wont move,
this way, it will not require any adjustment when the new hinge is installed.
The tape holds the door handle in place.

Just make sure the handle is centered in the handle cutout prior to taping it.

I actually removed the handle to inspect it after removing the hinge. I don't think it is so critical to tape it so it doesn't move - if you follow my sequence of reassembly (handle taped back on, attach hinge to car first then attach hinge to handle) I think it will mostly self align - once attached remove the tape & test the centering & action. If its not centered you can loosen the two 10mm nuts and adjust lateral fit slightly - there really isn't much movement in the captive bolts and just a short slot of travel on the hinge. Bolt it up tight...


Originally Posted by Mrmerlin (Post 10157831)
After installing the new hinge, spray lube the door striker/latch mechanism from inside the door.
Use good quality oil not WD40,
this should let the mechanism work with less effort thus lessening the chance of breaking the new hinge.

Yes that's a good idea - its tough to get to any of this once its all back together


Originally Posted by Mrmerlin (Post 10157831)
Make sure to adjust the small tierod so the handle opens the latch sooner rather than later.
This will lessen the chance of snapping the new part

This is one thing I deliberately didn't change - just left the adjustment "as was". You may have a point on fine tuning the adjustment... but the action on mine is pretty quick to release and has worked fine over the first 18 years or so - so I just left it the same to avoid too much trial & error work.

Alan

Tom in Austin 01-21-2013 03:58 PM

Great write up, thanks for sharing! Is this one of those "everyone will have to do this eventually" jobs?

Avar928 01-21-2013 04:19 PM

I did this more than a year ago and it took about 3 hours. Not bad actually on an 86. Same setup. Getting the plate back up was rather easy but I guess we had beginner's luck. Putting back the panels was the hard part, some of them wouldn't lock in place. Ended it up getting them all fitted upon retracing what we screwed in was wrong.

Alan 01-21-2013 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Tom in Austin (Post 10160860)
Great write up, thanks for sharing! Is this one of those "everyone will have to do this eventually" jobs?

Probably... depending on use, for a DD I'd say yes - there is little stress at rest - so its an accumulation of usage thing...

I have about 125K, ~daily use for last 12 years - nowhere near as much before that...

Alan

Randy V 01-21-2013 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Mrmerlin (Post 10157831)
Make sure to adjust the small tierod so the handle opens the latch sooner rather than later.
This will lessen the chance of snapping the new part
.

Yes, I did this - 3 turns is all it takes to remove the slack and now the door opens on the early part of the upswing so there is less stress on the hinge.

Alan 01-21-2013 11:28 PM

BTW - I think the worst thing you can do to the hinge is to raise the handle up high and then just release it so it snaps back - you can hear the metalic clunk... I know this has happened to mine on a couple of occasions when my fingers just slipped off the handle - avoid this...!

If you can (lift it less - Stan's point - and) gently release it you will prolong its life...

I don't recall this preceding the actual break - but its possible it starts off a stress fracture that takes time to propagate...

Alan


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