928S 1986 euro , looking to buy , please advice, lots of pictures
12-14-2012, 06:36 PM
#1
Three Wheelin'
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928S 1986 euro , looking to buy , please advice, lots of pictures (bought)
Update 12/17/2012: BOUGHT the car !
Car is located 5 hours from me and went to see it last Wednesday.
Looks like a fairly clean car. Owner (former Porsche racing team) bought it in 2006 from an official Porsche center in France. He never used it, he told me he more or less bought it because one of his team members was crazy about it and that person convinced him it was a good buy.
I checked the car out, it is accident free and no rust (beside some surface rust in the battery holder?)
The only thing I find strange is the rear trunk area were the option sticker should be. That looks odd.
Anybody have an opinion on that ? Is it a factory finish ? Can't be I would think but the cloth square makes me think it is.
He paid 9500 euro in 2006, wants 8000 now, he did the timing belt and other belts last week except the small first one which was not in stock, did also the spark plugs. Car looks well maintained and motor runs like new, even from cold.
Paint is bad though, he had it repainted by an amateur and it looks like it.
Buy or no buy ? Oh, it has 102.000km (60.000ml). Not a stamp in the book however.
all pictures here : http://s101.beta.photobucket.com/use...8S%20granatrot
Car is located 5 hours from me and went to see it last Wednesday.
Looks like a fairly clean car. Owner (former Porsche racing team) bought it in 2006 from an official Porsche center in France. He never used it, he told me he more or less bought it because one of his team members was crazy about it and that person convinced him it was a good buy.
I checked the car out, it is accident free and no rust (beside some surface rust in the battery holder?)
The only thing I find strange is the rear trunk area were the option sticker should be. That looks odd.
Anybody have an opinion on that ? Is it a factory finish ? Can't be I would think but the cloth square makes me think it is.
He paid 9500 euro in 2006, wants 8000 now, he did the timing belt and other belts last week except the small first one which was not in stock, did also the spark plugs. Car looks well maintained and motor runs like new, even from cold.
Paint is bad though, he had it repainted by an amateur and it looks like it.
Buy or no buy ? Oh, it has 102.000km (60.000ml). Not a stamp in the book however.
all pictures here : http://s101.beta.photobucket.com/use...8S%20granatrot
Last edited by TT-911; 02-18-2013 at 05:12 PM.
12-14-2012, 06:47 PM
#2
Nordschleife Master
Is this his first 928 timing belt replacement? Did he use a current Laso water pump?
If the paint bothers you, I would skip it, repaint to my satisfaction at least exceeds the cost of most nice cars with decent paint.
If you are still interested in it I would have someone expert in the 928 look it over first.
If the paint bothers you, I would skip it, repaint to my satisfaction at least exceeds the cost of most nice cars with decent paint.
If you are still interested in it I would have someone expert in the 928 look it over first.
12-14-2012, 06:49 PM
#3
Nordschleife Master
Options are:
261 Passenger side mirror - electric - plain
474 Sport shock absorbers (Bilsteins)
533 Alarm system
Its hard to tell from your pics whether the surface in the hatch area is damaged paint (burnt?), or adhesive residue? Either way, it looks rough in that area. My guess is standing water caused some rust there and its been painted over?
Paint would also be an issue for me - hard to tell the quality of the repaint from pics. Restoring mechanicals is the easier part - restoring paint/interior is hard.
The rest of the car looks pretty good by UK/European standards - front spoiler is straight, engine bay looks pretty clean and not much corrosion in the engine bay either.
The lack of any stamps in the book is unusual - but it does appear to be the original service book, as it has the original sticker. I'm used to seeing at least 3 years worth of dealer stamps.
I realise '86 5-speeds are fairly hard to come by, but if you've been looking for one for less than 6 months, I'd be tempted to wait and see what else comes up - despite the emotional struggle
But really its only your decision! Are you watching the British market too? LHD cars come up for sale there as well fairly regularly (ebay.co.uk, pistonheads.com, and autotrader.co.uk should cover most of the UK market).
261 Passenger side mirror - electric - plain
474 Sport shock absorbers (Bilsteins)
533 Alarm system
Its hard to tell from your pics whether the surface in the hatch area is damaged paint (burnt?), or adhesive residue? Either way, it looks rough in that area. My guess is standing water caused some rust there and its been painted over?
Paint would also be an issue for me - hard to tell the quality of the repaint from pics. Restoring mechanicals is the easier part - restoring paint/interior is hard.
The rest of the car looks pretty good by UK/European standards - front spoiler is straight, engine bay looks pretty clean and not much corrosion in the engine bay either.
The lack of any stamps in the book is unusual - but it does appear to be the original service book, as it has the original sticker. I'm used to seeing at least 3 years worth of dealer stamps.
I realise '86 5-speeds are fairly hard to come by, but if you've been looking for one for less than 6 months, I'd be tempted to wait and see what else comes up - despite the emotional struggle
But really its only your decision! Are you watching the British market too? LHD cars come up for sale there as well fairly regularly (ebay.co.uk, pistonheads.com, and autotrader.co.uk should cover most of the UK market).
12-14-2012, 07:14 PM
#5
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Is this his first 928 timing belt replacement? Did he use a current Laso water pump?
If the paint bothers you, I would skip it, repaint to my satisfaction at least exceeds the cost of most nice cars with decent paint.
If you are still interested in it I would have someone expert in the 928 look it over first.
If the paint bothers you, I would skip it, repaint to my satisfaction at least exceeds the cost of most nice cars with decent paint.
If you are still interested in it I would have someone expert in the 928 look it over first.
That's because I will not consider any other 928 than a '86 Euro.
What bothers me though is this strange crater like surface in the trunk. Looks odd and can't seem to find a reason why it looks like that.
Waterpump was not changed I believe. Just the belts.
12-14-2012, 07:24 PM
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The little fiberglass-y square is factory. Perhaps all the irregular surface stuff in the rear is just transfer of old carpet rubberized backing onto the deck?
12-14-2012, 07:35 PM
#7
Three Wheelin'
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Now, I would have bought it were it not for this strange trunk surface. How did it get to look like this is important to me. Honestly, this is the reason for this post. I am fine with all the rest.
It's definitely no rust, there is none to be found, the corners are clean and do not have this strange surface. Also would someone bother to attach this square cloth/fiberglass again?
I enjoy 'reading' a cars history but here I am at a dead end so to speak.
The only thing I can think is that the original surface got hot to a level it became fluid like and took on the form of the carpet bottom with all its buttons. But how come it got so hot ? And is that the reason ? It could explain the absence of the option sticker as it would have been 'burned'.
Been a 911 guy all my life but the call of the 928 is becoming overwhelming since a few years and have to give in. I can wait more years still but would be nice to finally have one of my own.
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12-14-2012, 07:37 PM
#8
Three Wheelin'
Go under the car with a flash light. look behind the rear bumper look at where the two bumper shocks mount (do euros have bumper shocks?) see if there is any irregularity. Also take a small magnet and stick it around the body like on the surface of the rear quarter panel or the surface were the option sticker used to be. You will no if there is some bondo work if the magnet doesn't stick as strong compared to other locations.
12-14-2012, 07:39 PM
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The trunk has a layer of tar sheet on it which may be what looks odd.
Interesting. Another early (#0125) '86(.5/ROW '86) with leftover round jack points.
Below is a '86.5 US tourist delivery (#0069), with all the '86.5 stuff, brakes, exhaust, etc., but also round jack points.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-question.html
Interesting. Another early (#0125) '86(.5/ROW '86) with leftover round jack points.
Below is a '86.5 US tourist delivery (#0069), with all the '86.5 stuff, brakes, exhaust, etc., but also round jack points.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-question.html
12-14-2012, 08:25 PM
#10
Three Wheelin'
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Go under the car with a flash light. look behind the rear bumper look at where the two bumper shocks mount (do euros have bumper shocks?) see if there is any irregularity. Also take a small magnet and stick it around the body like on the surface of the rear quarter panel or the surface were the option sticker used to be. You will no if there is some bondo work if the magnet doesn't stick as strong compared to other locations.
Did check those of course. They look clean.
I have a paint meter which I prefer over a magnet.
12-14-2012, 08:38 PM
#11
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
The factory sprays some sound deadening material on there before paint, it is a smooth surface that is sprayed on in nice even layers. Do you mean that is 'tar'? And how do you think it became so ugly?
Thanks for that, I knew about the different jacking points from '86 on and now that you mention it, this car does not have them. I missed that completely. It's a true '86 though but was build in the late summer of '85.
Hmm, think I'll let this one go.
Next week I am going to see a beaut but costing much more. Keeping my fingers crossed it is as good as the owner tells me.
Hmm, think I'll let this one go.
Next week I am going to see a beaut but costing much more. Keeping my fingers crossed it is as good as the owner tells me.
12-14-2012, 08:41 PM
#12
Race Car
Denis,
The car looks about right for a '86 auto at the price. These cars are getting old. Stuff needs to be replaced and repaired at some point.
The trunk issue looks like either adhesive or mold from a leaking trunk seal.
That's my 0.02 for what it is worth.
Michael
The car looks about right for a '86 auto at the price. These cars are getting old. Stuff needs to be replaced and repaired at some point.
The trunk issue looks like either adhesive or mold from a leaking trunk seal.
That's my 0.02 for what it is worth.
Michael
12-14-2012, 08:48 PM
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At US $10.500, I'm more concerned about the bad re-spray than the 2 square feet of rear deck surface that you'll never see under the carpet. Car looks nice in pictures but there's no substitute for seeing it in person.
12-14-2012, 08:56 PM
#15
Nordschleife Master
Car looks real clean and straight from pictures. These cars are going on 30 years so lets be reasonable a little paint work is probably going to happen with a car that old. Good luck with it!
