Flush center console conversion design input
 

OK, I'm at the stage of design where I think I have everything accounted for that could be wanted in a flush center console conversion - but this is usually where I get bitten by unexpected problems! So, looking for feedback from the group about what should be considered. This conversion has been trial fitted on my 1980 Euro S with leather console, and the shape has been checked against 6 other consoles of varying condition and material type - all OB style.
Good points of this design are:
Gauge knock-outs at the bottom for optional use, plus a power port option.
All hidden mounting hardware.
Will be bare steel to be trimmed as desired (paint, vinyl, leather, 3M,....)
Minimal alteration to the HVAC head and warning strip.
Will fit a universal 2X DIN mounting sleeve.
The center vent duct extension is incorporated.
The center vent plastic shell will need the original mounting pins removed.
The original clock mount crossmember will need to be removed, as well as the original mount bosses for stereo, HVAC, warning strip inside the console framework.

Negative points;
There is no room to fit rear AC controls. Unless they can fit where the gauge options go? I don't have these items to measure to check in the design.
I have not tried fitting this to a newer console - don't know if there are differences?
Consoles seem to vary slightly in the opening shape due to age, leather pull, damage, etc. , so the steel perimeter may need to be ground slightly for best fit.

So, looking for feedback from everybody. Things that should be considered for the design, wishes, concerns? The goal of this is simple install that can be done by low to medium skill level.

Verrrrry interesting!

Lets see, low skills, thats me.
Double DIN, yeah baby!
Minimum mod to vent system, great!
Uses existing AC/heat control fascia (which might someday get updated - if ever finished by Hans) awesome!
Would want leather covering, very cool!
Don't need clock, good to go!
No room for for rear air controls - I am eliminating my useless rear air, perfect.

Question #1: Does this keep or eliminate the ashtray system?. I see a need for a power source but the guage (2 or 3??) capability is probably more important, especially if supercharging, therefore: Maybe a USB/power point source could be mounted in the ashtray or on the side of the console?

Question #2: Does this fit recessed as the normal inserts or does it bring it to a flush level at the sides of the console?

Questions #3 & 4: When will it be available and how much?

COUNT ME IN ON THIS ONE!

P.S. I have a friend who has a couple of cad-based computerized laser cutters worth 4-5 million $$$ he uses to cut finished stainless steel parts for his manufacturing business that could probably punch these out for you in minutes if you do not have a source.

Get rid of the dated HVAC - otherwise what's the point in a refresh - it really looks the 30 years old it is. Also just get rid of the seperate rear AC control while you are it it - it was always a stupid idea - integrate.

Alan

^^^^^ got any hints on how to upgrade a Vac controlled head unit for an OB? :-)

i will be waiting for my test kit!

For Ninespub questions - #1 it eliminates the ashtray area and replaces it with either 2 gauge options or a gauge and 12V power port option, or just leave it all blank. These cutouts are "knock-outs" so choose your setup.
#2 This brings it flush to the sides of the console.
#3 I hope to have a couple units out for field testing by the end of the year. Cost not determined yet as the manufacturing costs have not been quoted, but I have the laser cutters and CNC brakes available to me. The cost will be very reasonable!

For Alan - I don't want to get into figuring out a different control system, but maybe the VW digital unit could be fitted with the mods from Steve? in Australia. I would be happy to have 2 different versions of the adapter bracket for different HVAC controls, as long as it fits into the available space.

For Ducman - I hope to see a vac controlled HVAC head tomorrow to verify fitment. Don't know how to upgrade though - probably need the vac solonoid strip and the diffuser control on the main dash box with a bunch of wiring.

Pictured is the latest prototype set in my console.

For surround trim I wrapped some leather around some small cord. T

Thanks for the idea Tony. Yours looks good!

Al, Your prototype looks great. Just wrap it in leather and your good to go. Will you be selling these units ? T

Al, I like it....I assume it will fit 5 sp as well?

Ron - I believe it will fit either 5spd or Auto consoles. A slight concern is finger clearance between the shift knob (either version) and the new location of the HVAC controls - they are much closer now. With my Auto I will learn to live with it, but on a 5spd it might be a hassle in the forward gear lever positions to not bang your knuckles on the HVAC knobs.

Sign me up for one. When will it be ready? :)

Dan
'91 928GT S/C :eek: 475hp/460lb.ft

Hans is working on a final solution as well.

I hope to have a couple units out for field testing by end of the year.

BigAl,

With my shifter design for the 5spds this will not be an issue. ;)

Just switch to a Jager shift knob - problem solved!

He has several different styles and materials.

http://www.jageng.com/garage9/images/gtsfullleather.jpg

Good news Colin, as yours is on my list....Be happy to test one for ya Al...Of course, I STILL don't have her running yet....this darn house is killing me...should be finished and ready to move in about three weeks....downhill stretch!

I would consider this a dead project ATM.

There hasn't been significant update or progress on this in ~1yr.

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...indows-58.html


J. Feather is working on something now as well, that with his modifications on a custom one at a time basis, appears to be more likely to be available, however, in competition with his time for fender liners.

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...opment-24.html

This.

Some people are in denial.

Id be happy to see a post with a picture of something done...something working...something -in- a car.

Indeed.

Does anybody know if the double DIN chassis size standard also defines the mounting hole pattern for the sides on the stereo chassis?

BUMP! Crickets?

Still here! Working out the mounting details to be sure all standard 2XDIN stereo chassis' will screw right in without needing a mounting sleeve. Fit into my leather console is great, and the improved mounting for the HVAC/warning strip is done.

Just a quick update on progress. The first field test on a leather console, older vacume/cable controlled system is complete and fit well with an Alpine 2XDIN headunit with cage. Unfortunately I could not avoid having a mount cage due to order of assembly problems! No clearance problems behind the stereo. The older style cable controls need to be extended or replaced with longer because of the new location for the HVAC head. A second field test is pending on a 87 with vinyl console, and my 80 with leather has it fitted but no stereo yet. I'll trim mine with 3M vinyl, but it could be covered with leather or vinyl material as desired.

Looking good to me I have seen them in person lookes even better in real life

Thanks Paul - I still have your parts in my trunk, need to stop by sometime and return them!

OK, last call for suggestions to add or improve the concept. Updates per the first field test are done, pending on the second test with vinyl console. PM for pricing info.

LOVE MINE

Does a double DIN clear that early (big) double vacuum pod for the console vent control?

Well you know I'd still vote for updated more modern and smaller HVAC head , what do you propose in the lower area where the 2 holes are? Clock & Hazard if this is an early car?

Is there a side view of the shifter - it seems awfully close?

Alan

Alan,
Using a paper template to represent the 2X DIN stereo chassis, yes - it clears the vacuum pot for the center vent flap on my '80 Euro. No clearance problem on with older style cable control HVAC head either. Pending field test on '87 to check later style HVAC controls.
The lower holes are for optional 2 1/16" gauges, and an optional 12V power port. I was only aiming to make a conversion kit to adapt the stock parts and a 2X DIN stereo, not change the HVAC control type - that is beyond my skill! Yes, the shifter handle is much closer to the new HVAC knobs location - I will get a pic tonight with my custom handle showing how close. I figured the clock is gone (part of the stereo display), and have not considered the early Hazard button! Never occurred to me since I don't have one. I'll have to make that clear - not for use with early style console with Hazard switch.

Could take the flush concept all the way to the window switches if you wanted. Kind of like following this concept except raised up to flush:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...psc2d0710d.jpg


Seems like if you want to go flush, might as well go all the way. Just another thought to throw into the mix while in the design stage.

Are there any more pictures? This seems like a good option.

I like that idea Auzivision! I will look into that too as it will solve some other appearance issues on my car. Here are pics of my custom shift knob relative to the HVAC knobs when the shifter is in Park.

he is a "Meh" shot i just took with my phone. ill get some more later today with more light.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps56ab965e.jpg

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps7ba9fc91.jpg

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps5133897a.jpg

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps693d26cb.jpg


the double din clears the vac pot with no issue.

the ONLY problem i have is the manual hot/cold cable is to short. so i having to make a bowden cable that will work. i tired to use a "universal" throttle cable but is just to stiff and the bends make it hard. im going to check with some aircraft people about a plastic lined one.

Seems like a good solution.

Ok...this I need....I was looking at eliminating the clock (although I really like it, the DD stereo will have one), and the old hazard button...I was just either going to relocate it, or replace it with a different style switch, somewhere else on the console....but this will save me a bunch of work...I like the suggestion someone else made, about perhaps putting in a USB port or something...

I think this, combined with a lizard shift would work out just right for what I want...

Yeah. Where to paypal?

PM me for cost and shipping details.

Hey Al to make your new longer cable get a piece of stainless welding rod for TIG and a piece of small polly tube from pneumatics supply. Facca fasteners or Hose headquartes would have that not sure about Princess Auto I have welding rod here...Looks great to me

Note that the Hazard switch is a very special switch - you will have a hard time replacing with generic - it needs a 1 pole 2 throw ganged with a 4 pole 1 throw switch (and ganged with another single pole 1 throw switch for the illumination part)

About the only options are to move it to the pod as on later cars (delete something else easier to replicate elsewhere - reset/fog/rear wiper/rear fog), use a similarly configured Porsche hazard switch - say from a 944 OR create a relay controlled version with a simpler switch.

Also given the clearance issues here to the shifter - I'd avoid power outlets or USB chargers located here - creates bigger congestion in a tight area.

Alan

thats not a bad idea. the rod does not need to be super strong (very little muscle is needed to move the lever).......

might have to bust out some .045 wire , give that a try when it gets warmer.!

Thanks Alan! PET shows the Hazard warning switch is same for all years, so I can work with my switch to see if it can be added to the cutouts in the flush bracket. I could nest the knock-outs for the most flexibility for the end user.
The power port knock-out is on the RH side, and will clear the auto shifter nicely.

I would be interested in a dual 2.125" gauge hole version. Brushed aluminum would be icing as I'm doing all billet/black interior

The 2 gauge hole knock-outs are 2.066" dia to fit standard 2 1/16" gauges - do you have gauges that need 2.125" holes?
I'll be trimming mine with 3M vinyl in brushed aluminum to match the Momo steering wheel center and other details inside.

Your gauges look just like the Red-Digital Glow-Shift Gauges I'll be using. Put me down for a unit.
What diameter is your shift lever? I'll be machining my own billet shift lever and I'm thinking only 1.50" diameter cylindrical shape.

Gauges pictured are Ducman's, and I will have a WBO2 gauge in my left position. My shift knob is a little under 2"dia.

For an Auto yes - for a manual probably not.

Even for an auto it does depend a lot on what you plug in - some of these things are shaped like mushrooms!

I have recently moved my power outlets (one 12v and a dual USB) to the passenger side of the console for this reason.

Alan

For us manual/vac operated head unit guys, I solved the hot/cold cable issue. Bicycle cable! You can bend that stuff and any angle and it slides perfect! I was so happy I forgot to take pictures....

Very interested in this now.

Will the dash panel support the new alpine 8" screen?

it is a standard DoubleDin chassis.
Chassis Size (W x H x D) mm: 178mm x 100mm x 165mm
Chassis Size (W x H x D) in: 7'' x 3-15/16'' x 6-1/2''

thats the same size dimensions as mine. will fit fine.

Im more curious about the screen area outside of the mounting hole itself.

Picture of the unit?

Hummmm ya, that might be tricky. no nose dimensions... TBD... ugh...

Thats why Im wondering what the corner to corner area usable is with this kit. The length of the white line here, what's that length?

http://speedtoys.com/line.jpg

from that white line (outside of trim to outside of trim) is about 8.75inches. i am just wondering if the "unit" the part that fits in the cage is the same. i have the alpine INA-w900bt.

that bottom lip of the other alpine unit, if it is not over an inch, should fit just fine.

Here a picture of a rough install I made 2 months ago. With less than half a day's work I could get it to fit perfect.
Attachment 740719

Sorry I've been out of the loop for the last few months! Been renovating a house so my focus is elsewhere. Looks good Fred!

Hans is working on a final solution as well.http://erjie.smokemaps.com/10.jpg

for what? carputer?

Thanks Al. I love your mod. It would have looked better if I had the orig Pioneer AVIC D3 trim ring. I lost it when I moved and can't find a replacement.

Any further info on this?

Who out there currently has this upgrade installed?..Pics would be great!

Thx

First off, I need to make a big apology to Speedtoys for not sending him a kit in the promised timeframe! I'm sorry for the lack of progress! Now, I am going to make specific time for the 928 projects, and this Sunday will be my welding time to get these kits ready to ship. The 2 kits currently asked for will be the last of my field testing sets, and the remaining 4 sets will go out as normal production. Future kits will have updates/suggestions incorporated, based on the field testing feedback.

Your back!

AL!!!!!!

No probs Al, told ya im in no specific hurry. :)

Email when ready. :)

I'll be flying down to LA to work with Jake on the actual work to be done on my console..as he's done it before.

Yep, I'm back!! Still winding up the bigger outside projects on the house, but had some quality time on the 928 recently, and plans for more. Carolyn has been waiting for a long time to have a ride in it!

Just had to post a pic of my flush console adapter brackets - first time having 4 done at once!

Those look Great!

Looking forward to this.

Very nice.

I have been following various double DIN threads and this came up various times and I was always wondering because my stick shift doesn't even come close to the console.

Now I know why, because I have the Lizards928 shift mechanism!

Didn't make the connection.

MN

OK, questions for the HVAC pros on here. What does the little lever at the RH side of the top/center louver control? And what does the microswitch it activates do?

Perfect. Ready for them.

FTFY.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/redwards/pu...%2010-3-14.jpg

Thanks Rob! Great answer. I will try to keep that switch operational as stock.

Does anyone have pics with dimensions of the Rear AC control knobs, the switches they are attached to, and specific hole sizes and spacing of these knobs? Trying to see how many possible combinations of knockouts can be designed into the lower panel on my bracket.

Not with measurements, but you might be able to 'calibrate' in photoshop against something measurable in the pic (like the diameter of the rear A/C knobs?)

I have a spare clock surround at home that I can measure for holes, but it's a later unit for vinyl dashes (85 to 95, 928 552 047 10), not sure whether the holes differ in ID vs. the surround for use with a leather dash (928 552 047 09), though I tend to doubt it since the A/C switches themselves are all the same, 85 to 95

https://webfiles.uci.edu/redwards/pu...2011-12-11.jpg

https://webfiles.uci.edu/redwards/pu...2011-12-11.jpg

The holes through the panel are one inch in diameter. As you can see, the bezels for the switches are a cup that will require about a half inch of spacing material on the back to take up for the panel thickness and the clock frame/base thickness.

Too, the underside of the bezel face is not flat and is curved, heavy on the top, I think, to compensate for the curvature of the lower shifter surround. It will not mate very well with the face of your flat panel at the bottom of your insert. This is not very obvious in the great pictures from Rob E.

Thanks for the pics and info guys. Rob - Is this an exploded view in order of assembly? I'm going to need a set of these switches, knobs, cups, and washers to do this right.

Yep, exploded view. I was afraid I wouldn't remember how to put it back together, given the German predilection for 6 parts when 3 would have sufficed.

If I were doing a total console rework I'd be looking to eliminate those controls. This also likely implies some rework to the HVAC head - so a bigger project for sure...

Biggest reason: the stock HVAC head looks like a 70's cable slider design, I can only guess they did that for user familiarity reasons at the time(?). Today it looks archaic - and has some major control limitations that the underlying HVAC system doesn't have.

For a more contemporary look you need at least rotary not slider controls (rotary had displaced sliders on the vast majority of cars decades ago). Having the main AC switch & rear AC controls completely independant from the front controls also makes no sense (and adds to space grabbing clutter).

IMO a totally new console with these relics in it can't ever really look like a fully updated version.

Alan

I hear you Alan. If someone else came up with a control module that could replace the stock HVAC with minimal mods required, and it could fit in the available space, I could probably design this bracket to fit it. I know about Steve in Australia using the VW control, and I really like that look, but it seems like some of that work is outside my expertise (such as it is!) One of my goals for this kit is to be easily installed by the end user in just a few hours, other than the covering material application.

Got the box Al....we'll get right on it! :)

With some time on the 928 center console project recently, I found a round louver that can fit into my design, and replace the stock rectangular louver - something I was not satisfied with on the first field trial kits. Also incorporated several suggestions by others to improve the bracket and make trimming with vinyl or leather a cleaner operation.
So to list the changes;
Upper louver now replaced with 2 round louvers, fully directional. Initial supply of louvers are matte black center with chrome trim ring.
Added 3rd gauge knockout in lower face.
Added 2 rocker switch cutouts in lower face - these will fit Waytek #44122 (4P DPST On/Off 20A @14VDC).
Changed the cutout area for HVAC/warning strip to have a breakout edge, allowing a larger opening for wrapping vinyl or leather into the cutout. Leave the edges if using 3M vinyl film or ? to trim with.
Have a solution to the mixing switch lever that trips the microswitch. This will be a fabricated lever, located between the louvers.
Small holes in the upper louver area for LEDs or ? - I was thinking of alarm system blinkers.
So, any other ideas that should be considered? I'm trying to make this as option friendly as possible, and limit the number of bracket style to make - common parts are good! If I can incorporate an idea that will be used, and still fit the available space - I will. I'm hoping this version will be a first production run.

Big thumbs up on this brother!

Very cool, amazing the talent at work on these mods ...

Looks great Al

In anticipation of Al's kit arriving I have procured my Double Din unit.

Attachment 878368

Will anyone have this or something similar at Sharktoberfest this coming weekend in Anaheim? Would be great to see it in person.

Alpine INE-Z928HD....at the office...waiting.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...be8b6e979f.jpg

Jake will. :)

Latest design, in metal.

Allan

That looks Fantastic!

Great work my friend.

me likes.

Is the metal frame intended to be covered in leather or vinyl?

There is 2 versions for different console trims - 1 for leather covered console, and 1 for vinyl covered console. The metal frame can be covered with leather/vinyl or 3M Di-Noc or similar film.

Hi Allan,

Great job, I gather you've put a lot of work into this. I saw Jake's console at Sharktoberfest, and really liked it.

Could I get a version (custom even) that still uses the stock air vents and the lever (your new extended version) that is to the immediate right?

Although I imagine the round vents are most likely a great improvement over stock, I would rather not have the chrome rings, and prefer the stock look.

Respectfully,

Rich

Hi Rich,
I do have the design for the original style vent, but still have not solved the little lever that activates the switch when used with the original vent. Will give that some thought next.

Looks good there Al.
I can tell, the force is strong within you.

how does the center lever work now?

The factory lever has a cam shaped end that actuates the microswitch in a "rolling on top" motion. My new lever for the round louvers has a "swiping from the side" motion to activate the switch.

ah got ya, i thought you found some way to make that connect to the stock flap in back...

On mine, it only activates the microswitch.

Fantastic! I need this in my life!

Are we close to getting them?

That looks larger than the standard double DIN units... Do you have the dimension info?

http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/view/ine-z928hd/Specs



Dimensions
Din Size: 2
Chassis Size (W x H x D) mm: 178mm x 100mm x 165mm
Chassis Size (W x H x D) in: 7'' x 3-15/16'' x 6-1/2''
Nose Piece Size (W x H x D) mm: TBD
Nose Piece Size (W x H x D) in: TBD

Does look bigger, but not if the specs are correct. Same depth as Keith's old AVIC-D2, is likely going to require footwell flap relocation.

I'm getting this next...
http://www.alpine-usa.com/product/view/carplay-ilx-007

Those specs are wrong... nothing on that unit is 3-15/16'' which is listed as the height.

and then the size for the nose is TBD? to be determined? sounds like they didn't finish measuring it..... that is why I asked what the measurements were...

Just wanted to update that I recieved my prototype flush mount conversion from Allan.

It looks Fantastic! While I haven't had the chance to install it yet, by looking at it I can't forsee any reason while it won't work perfect!

Its a Great qualty made piece and I give it two thumbs up.

Ill update this again once its fully mounted.

PS. I have the latest version with the round vents, I think this a great way to update the looks of the dash. Looks very modern.

pics!!
 

Ahem? Since you listed it as a favorite upgrade 'n all!

so i had never figured out a way to close the center flap with the stock "lever" on the side. SOOOO, I adapted and overcame the problem.

using parts form an early car i have collected, i was able to get the knob to work. i used a piece of large gauge wire due to the angle, and it works!

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...psmtbkvuzj.jpg

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...pswbvk1cn7.jpg

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...psylichwpt.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...2eb3c268c5.jpg

I started installing mine last night, still have a few things to finish up.

nice!

That really looks sharp. Looking forward to when they are more widely available!

Flush center console conversion design input
 

They are readily available, Contact BigAl he will take care of you. :)

Thanks Jake!

Wewp! PM is imminent!

Flush center console conversion design input
 

By the way if anyone noticed, that is one of the custom HVAC displays I had made up (blue) I still have an extra of the grey ones available for anyone interested. I know these match up with the 86-95 layout, not sure on the OB's

Looks great Mj! How is the airflow from the louvers? That is the exact stereo I've been watching - how do you like it?

Jake,
I've never handled one of the old style louvers - how does the knob actuate the wire you came up with?

Flush center console conversion design input
 

Thanks Allen!

The air flow is great, seems on par with the stock louver. I'm really digging your flush mount kit, was very easy to work with...Kudos on a Great product! :)

I love this head unit, it's full Android so it can do just about anything, and everything from the android market is compatible. I haven't done it yet but I will be setting up the sceen background to disply the Porsche logo for a very OEM look.

in the early cars 78-79, the knob turns a shaft with a gear on the end that moves the louver. if you look in the picture you can see it. but big that it is spaced away, and at an angle, a longer shaft would not work. so i just cut the shaft and glued in a wire in its place. works well so far.

I do think the late model vent louvers look better - but they don't work better. The early knob version is actually more functional. Smaller vents mean more concentrated flow. The wider later vents only serve to bounce some air from the far LHS right off of the side of the instrument pod - which disturbs the main direct airflow. It is pointless and quite counter productive.

I will eventually equip my GTS with the earlier (better) vents - I have them already.

The years '81 - '83 have the best airflow flap control capabilities IMO, though they don't actually use these features very well. They have a dual level auto control of the center vent flow (dual level vacuum pod) but lack a good manual over-ride control option.

I would use that '81-'83 vacuum actuator controlled console vent with the early style air-vent louvers - but with the knob controlling an electrical switch that allows some direct manual control of the dual flow vent. However various programmed events should also be able to over-ride this: DEF should always shut the center vents, Bi-Level/Console Vent should close the center vent to at least half as should the other split modes (Up/Console Vent; Down/Console Vent). Porsche never got this quite right... Their changes on the console vent mode were a bit schizophrenic here (most likely different engineers with entirely different ideas...) they go from full manual, to full automatic and back to essentially full manual - what they missed was this hybrid combo that allows the best of both worlds.

Alan

My 78 has no knob or shaft sticking out....I don't know if it ever did....I see no components for such. My spare console does tho....I think it is from an 83.

This is the DD stereo I bought. Full android 4.4 with dvd and wi-fi enabled....and built in GPS. Perfect candidate for the kit!

Flush center console conversion design input
 

I have almost this exact same unit..Works great with this setup

I looked at yours, but wish I took some pics. I PM'd Al.....

I like that I can squeeze the factory clock in down at the bottom, at least I think...I hated to lose it, but really want a fixed screen GPS.

I'm not at home to take any pics with the lights on but here is a couple close up's which show where I placed my clock, however it's not the factory clock.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...f6d4829c7a.png


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...9ecc8ac9dd.png

I am not sure if these angles help at all but the daytime lighting helps.



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...b9a5ddf536.jpg


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...6e7751a10a.jpg

Exactly what I was after, and a lot better than I could make myself! I do not have any sort of adjustment knob for my center vent, so the 2 round air diffusers would also be perfect!

Wow. That looks really cool! I've recently been looking to do something like this myself. Any chance you still have one I could buy?

Just PM me. I usually have parts to make more.

Hi BigAl1,

I would be interested to buy a 2DIN console as in the picture.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...88f4629f89.jpg

I want to keep my console as much as possible close to the stock design, especially the upper air vents.

How can I fix a 2DIN head unit to that console, are there mounting brackets?
Can I use the upper air vent with the small lever right side as in the stock version?
How much would be the price?


Best Regards,
Thomy

PS: My deep respect for all your R&D efforts. I'm working myself in R&D in a small and V8 affine company somewhere near Stuttgart :D and I know well about the time-consuming efforts and work to make all this you offer

Hi Thomy,
My bracket needs a 2xDIN chassis cage to mount the stereo unit, and has breakout tabs for various heights of cages. I don't have a solution for the louver lever - yet! I need to get that done to complete the design for both old and new style center vent microswitches. PM'd you.

Hi Al,

I will have a look on that louver lever when I'm doing the conversion .
Maybe I can make one out of two . Or sth. else...shouldn't be a big problem as I'm working as modeler :)

Thommy

Just got around to finishing my installation today ;) thnx again for the great work bigal

Before:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...8ecfb7444.jpeg

After: (I had the dashboard reupholstered and then I put in the new console)

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There has been some progress on the 2X DIN kits recently! I finally got some time to design a new lever for the center vent that works with the old style louver, but in the new flush location. At the moment, only the newer style consoles have a solution, next up is the older lever style (curved cam pressing on the switch tang). The first 3D printed samples arrived today, and they fit great, but I do need to reshape the exposed end just a little to be more centered in the louver slot for it's range of travel, but expect the next parts to be spot on. I also designed a replacement slotted arm in case yours is broken. This is the arm that is rivetted to the vent flap. Mine is about 10% thicker all through. The next one of these I'll order in polished white to see how smooth it is - the black is not offered in polished, and the surface is not smooth for a sliding motion.
The second item is I am waiting for my first sample of a custom stereo trim ring, sized to cover any gaps from stereo nose to steel cutout, but not extend past my bracket edge. It is a tapered section to transition to the stereo face height more smoothly than a flat panel. Also has provisions underneath to allow easy trimming to fit larger stereo faces, up to +1.5mm all around. And, by suggestion, it will have "PORSCHE" in the proper font in the lower face. Should be here end of the week. If this works out, it will be an option to be added to the kits.

NOW you get a lever extension...... :-) only issue i had other than the lever was the angle of the vents. the build it stops keep it from moving down farther... I'm sure i can mod it some how..

AL, that is perfect, I can't wait!

Hey Al !

Check out my thread....

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-thread-6.html

Finally got started.

Great Ron! Any questions, just ask!

BigAl1
How is your 2X DIN kit coming along?
Are your kits available for purchase? (Sorry if this is a stupid question.)
I am considering installing a Alpine iLX-107 unit in my 928. I assume, this kit would be a good way to go.
Thanks.
MN

Are the double dins still available? How much

I don’t believe Al is making them any longer.