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10-17-2013, 02:27 PM
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well gents, finally picked up car yesterday. she moved without too much problem and washed up the body looks great (except for the pesky S spoiler on the rear with it's associated rusty bolt fixings and leaks!! For your interest this and the front spoiler were added to the car in 1985 to the tune of £730!
I have a rather puzzling situation though, the chassis number from the plate right at the front ties to the owners handbook and someone has already very kindly checked the provenance from that.
On examination of the engine block today how ever all that is stamped is ATR , no M28 /10 or engine no as I was expecting to find. Does anyone know what this all about?
also my 1982 has the chassis number stamped on the wing , this one doesn't?
So far I have removed the dead external fuel pump, shearing the banjo pipe to the filter in the process. Am unable to undo the two 19mm fixings from the filter to hard line that goes off into the car, have left them dripping in WD40 tonight. Broken the fuel sender pin block into bits due to rusty pins, am unable to lift the sender more than inch out of the tank without it feeling that I am trying to lift half the tank with it
doesn't she know I'm here to help!!
good events!!~
managed to open the passenger door having drenched the lock in WD
Found a ticket showing her travelling by hovercraft across to Calais in 87
love her to bits already!
I have a rather puzzling situation though, the chassis number from the plate right at the front ties to the owners handbook and someone has already very kindly checked the provenance from that.
On examination of the engine block today how ever all that is stamped is ATR , no M28 /10 or engine no as I was expecting to find. Does anyone know what this all about?
also my 1982 has the chassis number stamped on the wing , this one doesn't?
So far I have removed the dead external fuel pump, shearing the banjo pipe to the filter in the process. Am unable to undo the two 19mm fixings from the filter to hard line that goes off into the car, have left them dripping in WD40 tonight. Broken the fuel sender pin block into bits due to rusty pins, am unable to lift the sender more than inch out of the tank without it feeling that I am trying to lift half the tank with it
doesn't she know I'm here to help!!
good events!!~
managed to open the passenger door having drenched the lock in WD
Found a ticket showing her travelling by hovercraft across to Calais in 87
love her to bits already!
10-17-2013, 10:42 PM
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10-17-2013, 11:51 PM
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Glad to hear you're on the way. Take it easy, no rush.
When I bought my GT, it was from a small dealer, and he said there were no maint history. As I was cleaning it up, I found the flip up door armrest, and inside was 15 years of history. Score!
When I bought my GT, it was from a small dealer, and he said there were no maint history. As I was cleaning it up, I found the flip up door armrest, and inside was 15 years of history. Score!
10-18-2013, 10:43 AM
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Buy a small pump oil gun (oiler), a liter of acetone and a liter of ATF - Dexron is preferred. Mix the acetone and ATF 50/50 and use it as a penetrant. Beats WD40 hands down!
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10-18-2013, 11:54 AM
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WD-40 is good stuff - I always keep it around - but it isn't the best penetrating oil. If you don't want to mix your own get PB Blaster or something specifically made to break things loose. My favorite is called "Free" but I have no idea where to get it any more.
My 1980 has already consumed one parts car as I rebuild it. Great fun - and the money isn't the point. Cars are a very expensive hobby - airplanes cost more but we're on the high end of cost. If you're focused on the cost, wrong car to buy. Get a Honda.
The interior will take quite a bit of work. When the time comes, I've got a bunch of extra panels that are in good condition. I'll be very curious to see how you're going to put the steering wheel on the correct side. :-D
10-18-2013, 02:52 PM
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What is the VIN of this car by the way?
It seems that 42 manual 928 (not-S) were delivered that model year, in the UK.
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10-29-2013, 10:12 AM
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Sorry Gents, not been updating here very much lately!
Gents, thanks for all the kind advice. Some points to cover as requested:
Background, the car was manufactured in 1980 and went to Ireland for two years before returning to the UK and being registered here on a X plate. It then had 6 owners in as many years, one of whom in 1985 decided to upgrade the look of the car to a 928s by the addition of the front and rear spoilers ( to the tune of £726 in 1985, he must have been desperate to keep up with the Jones!!)
In 1988 it was sold to the gentleman I bought it off. This gent was in the habit of keeping lists, and in May 1988 noted that having put 61 litres of fuel into the car it cost him £22 !!!!
However from early 1989, for various reasons non car related, he ended up putting the car away into the garage, and there it stayed.
Last year I purchased a Guards Red 928 for a "Top Gear Challenge" run to a friends wedding in the Czech Republic, and on taking it to work one day, one of my colleagues just had to announce that her FIL had one of "those" cars tucked away in his garage. The rest as they say was history!
Some pictures for those interested:
As usual most of my pictures are too big to load! Will attempt to sort later. As you can see the car is in a fetching shade of blue, unfortunately both the colour & option stickers are missing. The interior as you can see has suffered badly during her sleep, with mildew prevalent on the cloth and leather, and many of the the interior fixings rusted. However, the bodywork is in very good condition with little or no rust. And for me the main thing is that the car is a manual!!!
So, on to the mechanicals:
The engine has turned by hand quite smoothly, my first priority as I wanted to have this car as a runner and there seemed little point in progressing further if the engine was seized.
Fuel system is shot, so both pumps & filter, all "soft pipes" will be replaced, dropping fuel tank for cleaning and hard pipes flushed through.
Coolant is a big issue on these cars in terms of eating away at the aluminium engine, so drop and flush planned.
Oil, as indicated in my first post is , from first indications of the the oil filler, "manky" so thanks for the options presented above.
As the 4.5 is a non interference, belts are scheduled, but want to see if the engine will run under it's own power first.
Electrics on these beasts are always an issue, and a clean of all grounds, removal of the fuseboard, new battery etc will be done
On 928UK and Rennlist ( where they never seemed phased by cars in even worse condition than this) so lots of good advice, but the crap oil question is one best answered by those who have come across it before I feel!
Thanks for your contributions to date, I know I will be chasing further info and advice and I thank those people who take the time to reply in advance!
Should anyone care to follow the resto ( and please be aware that I am merely an amateur compared to everyone on rennlist ) and because it is soooo much easier to post pictures please look here :
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...21++Porshe+928
Regards
Matt
Gents, thanks for all the kind advice. Some points to cover as requested:
Background, the car was manufactured in 1980 and went to Ireland for two years before returning to the UK and being registered here on a X plate. It then had 6 owners in as many years, one of whom in 1985 decided to upgrade the look of the car to a 928s by the addition of the front and rear spoilers ( to the tune of £726 in 1985, he must have been desperate to keep up with the Jones!!)
In 1988 it was sold to the gentleman I bought it off. This gent was in the habit of keeping lists, and in May 1988 noted that having put 61 litres of fuel into the car it cost him £22 !!!!
However from early 1989, for various reasons non car related, he ended up putting the car away into the garage, and there it stayed.
Last year I purchased a Guards Red 928 for a "Top Gear Challenge" run to a friends wedding in the Czech Republic, and on taking it to work one day, one of my colleagues just had to announce that her FIL had one of "those" cars tucked away in his garage. The rest as they say was history!
Some pictures for those interested:
As usual most of my pictures are too big to load! Will attempt to sort later. As you can see the car is in a fetching shade of blue, unfortunately both the colour & option stickers are missing. The interior as you can see has suffered badly during her sleep, with mildew prevalent on the cloth and leather, and many of the the interior fixings rusted. However, the bodywork is in very good condition with little or no rust. And for me the main thing is that the car is a manual!!!
So, on to the mechanicals:
The engine has turned by hand quite smoothly, my first priority as I wanted to have this car as a runner and there seemed little point in progressing further if the engine was seized.
Fuel system is shot, so both pumps & filter, all "soft pipes" will be replaced, dropping fuel tank for cleaning and hard pipes flushed through.
Coolant is a big issue on these cars in terms of eating away at the aluminium engine, so drop and flush planned.
Oil, as indicated in my first post is , from first indications of the the oil filler, "manky" so thanks for the options presented above.
As the 4.5 is a non interference, belts are scheduled, but want to see if the engine will run under it's own power first.
Electrics on these beasts are always an issue, and a clean of all grounds, removal of the fuseboard, new battery etc will be done
On 928UK and Rennlist ( where they never seemed phased by cars in even worse condition than this) so lots of good advice, but the crap oil question is one best answered by those who have come across it before I feel!
Thanks for your contributions to date, I know I will be chasing further info and advice and I thank those people who take the time to reply in advance!
Should anyone care to follow the resto ( and please be aware that I am merely an amateur compared to everyone on rennlist ) and because it is soooo much easier to post pictures please look here :
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...21++Porshe+928
Regards
Matt
10-29-2013, 06:10 PM
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Looks like it is going to be a nice car when you get it cleaned up and running. If it helps any, I think it is the same color as my recently acquired 85S--Iris Blue Metalic.
11-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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Stupid question (possibly) but if the block is stamped ATR = factory replacement warranty jobbie, then can I assume that the block would be 1980 model year exact replacement, even if it was undertaken in say 1985? I only ask as I am in the process of building up a parts list and
a) PET does the -80 (does this mean up to or inclusive?) and obviously if a later block was installed , various ancillaries and pipework would be different
b) how does one remove the bracket holding the accelerator cables to the intake as there is insufficient room to use a socket on one of the bolts but an open ended spanner cannot get enough purchase on the bolt without slipping?
a) PET does the -80 (does this mean up to or inclusive?) and obviously if a later block was installed , various ancillaries and pipework would be different
b) how does one remove the bracket holding the accelerator cables to the intake as there is insufficient room to use a socket on one of the bolts but an open ended spanner cannot get enough purchase on the bolt without slipping?
11-26-2013, 03:58 PM
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The only bits I would check carefully for being a later part are the tensioner and oil pump (some block dimensions changed), but given they're already fitted to the car, you won't need to replace either. But those are only an issue if you find the ones on the car are damaged and need to be replaced. (the tensioner rebuild bits are the same, and I *think* the oil pump seal is the same too?)