Purists who hate the chevy conversion.... this car is legit.
11-29-2012, 07:40 PM
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We all love are 928, sometimes too much, I can appreciate the work tony is doing to build his car to be the ultimate car and applaud his effort. It would be different if there were as many mechanics to work on the porsche 928 as there are chevys but there arent. I wish I had the time and talent to do the work in a timely manner....
I still love the 928. everything about it makes sense to me!!
I still love the 928. everything about it makes sense to me!!
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11-29-2012, 07:56 PM
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Being Porsche's first V-8 motor and a great one at that, it is the essence of the car. It degrades the model as a whole when this conversion is done, to the degree it is being done. I cannot see a true Porsche enthusiast doing it.
11-29-2012, 07:56 PM
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I spose if your performance is going to come from parts bought at Summit, you should put them in a car seen on the cover of their magazine.
This does not include work like Asp's...that's a whole different path..more like where would POrsche be today with this..than a simple transplant for ease.
This does not include work like Asp's...that's a whole different path..more like where would POrsche be today with this..than a simple transplant for ease.
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11-29-2012, 07:58 PM
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Your small cap dig at "purists" misses the point.
It's not about purity, it's about cheapness and laziness.
When I walk across a car show lot towards a rare and unique car and get there to find a chevy motor, it's disappointing. Not because it didn't follow a rule book of properness but because there was no effort and creativity present. It was simply done to be cheap and easy.
This age of cheap and easy is it's own kind of purism. As though everyone is supposed to be so impressed that you didn't have to spend much and or exert effort.
Whatever the stupid chevy conversion is in the link I don't care to click on is, it would actually be more "legit" in a Camaro or Vette. The idea of putting it in a car that already has a V8 with superior potetntial is silly and based on laziness and cheapness or maybe lack of skill and confidence. The whole product is based on a compromise of cheapness, like building a house on a dump because the land was cheap.
Now if someone stuffs a tank engine or V16 into a 928, that would be interesating and admireable
It's not about purity, it's about cheapness and laziness.
When I walk across a car show lot towards a rare and unique car and get there to find a chevy motor, it's disappointing. Not because it didn't follow a rule book of properness but because there was no effort and creativity present. It was simply done to be cheap and easy.
This age of cheap and easy is it's own kind of purism. As though everyone is supposed to be so impressed that you didn't have to spend much and or exert effort.
Whatever the stupid chevy conversion is in the link I don't care to click on is, it would actually be more "legit" in a Camaro or Vette. The idea of putting it in a car that already has a V8 with superior potetntial is silly and based on laziness and cheapness or maybe lack of skill and confidence. The whole product is based on a compromise of cheapness, like building a house on a dump because the land was cheap.
Now if someone stuffs a tank engine or V16 into a 928, that would be interesating and admireable
Best synopsis of the "problem" I've ever read!
I've got plenty of "Chevy" toys, including a pretty damn nice 70SS Chevelle. There's a 540 cubic inch all aluminum Keith Black "blocked" Chevy engine, sitting for it. I personally guarantee that engine cost as much to assemble as any 928 engine I've built.
I wouldn't put a 928 engine into the Chevelle. I wouldn't put a Chevy into a 928. Just because it fits, doesn't make it right.
Buy a Camaro, if you want a Chevy engine sports car, the size of a 928.
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11-29-2012, 08:00 PM
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If putting a chevy into a 928 were an upgrade, they would sell for more than a stock one. But they don't. Sometimes they don't sell at all. The price of something tells you a lot.
11-29-2012, 08:06 PM
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Am I incorrect? but with affordable improvements to intake & exhaust, isn't the 928s4 or GT engine able to produce 400+ HP without forced induction and still be lighter & run for 300,000 miles? And with turbos or SC the 928 motor can produce 700+ HP like Todd T's 87 car? Seems like putting a Chevy motor in would be better with a 914 Porsche or a 944 (if it would fit) I have seen 914s with it.
lexan cover to view it in there.
11-29-2012, 09:08 PM
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11-29-2012, 09:18 PM
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In what reality do you get that from?
I would say, that ONE in TEN race engines on my racetrack are from American stock any given weekend for club racing. (20-30min races)
1/2 mazda
1/3 German
the last third "other"
As for a pro race:
http://www.nasa25hour.com/registration.htm (A full 25hrs long)
Count the US Domestic powerplants there my friend.
Three out of 82.
Why?
11-29-2012, 11:36 PM
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When ever this topic resurfaces, I always wonder where all those cheap, reliable, 500HP monster Chevy powered 928s have disappeared to. For some reason, we usually only seem to find the train wrecks up for sale.
11-30-2012, 12:06 AM
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Linked car does not look like it was cheap, not compared to a nice stock 928.
Santa Claus in his old brown stock 928 is likely faster around most shorter tracks.
It would not be remotely street legal in Calif.
Bottom line on the conversions, please don't use up a decent 928, have fun, but less than 10% of the conversions are cars the owner wants to keep.
Santa Claus in his old brown stock 928 is likely faster around most shorter tracks.
It would not be remotely street legal in Calif.
Bottom line on the conversions, please don't use up a decent 928, have fun, but less than 10% of the conversions are cars the owner wants to keep.
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11-30-2012, 12:58 AM
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I do think this comes down to people trying to make cars into something they are not.
If you want a fast stoplight car, get a torquey musclecar.
If you want a race car for the track, buy an actual racecar.
I imagine most people are drawn to the 928 because it's different.
It's much prettier, faster, and more interesting, than owning a Honda.
But it isn't a race car. It isn't a musclecar or a drag-racer.
Putting an American V-8 in a 928 is because someone is trying
to make the car into something it isn't. And that often ends up
costing a lot of money, and you end up with kind of a Frankenstein
car, and not in a good way. Even if you do it 100% right, like
Aspkiller did, you might still have been better off to start from
scratch with a tubeframe racecar chassis, and put the same
big engine in it, rather than spending so much effort trying
to make these components work in a 928. Again, if you
have the money, and want to do it, because you love the
928 body, then fine. But it's not a great idea for the average
person who wants their 928 to be faster. Better to just
sell the 928 and get a newer Corvette or something.
If you want a fast stoplight car, get a torquey musclecar.
If you want a race car for the track, buy an actual racecar.
I imagine most people are drawn to the 928 because it's different.
It's much prettier, faster, and more interesting, than owning a Honda.
But it isn't a race car. It isn't a musclecar or a drag-racer.
Putting an American V-8 in a 928 is because someone is trying
to make the car into something it isn't. And that often ends up
costing a lot of money, and you end up with kind of a Frankenstein
car, and not in a good way. Even if you do it 100% right, like
Aspkiller did, you might still have been better off to start from
scratch with a tubeframe racecar chassis, and put the same
big engine in it, rather than spending so much effort trying
to make these components work in a 928. Again, if you
have the money, and want to do it, because you love the
928 body, then fine. But it's not a great idea for the average
person who wants their 928 to be faster. Better to just
sell the 928 and get a newer Corvette or something.