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Old 11-29-2012, 03:36 PM
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Needs a fuel injected LS engine.
Old 11-29-2012, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Simard
Your small cap dig at "purists" misses the point.
It's not about purity, it's about cheapness and laziness.
When I walk across a car show lot towards a rare and unique car and get there to find a chevy motor, it's disappointing. Not because it didn't follow a rule book of properness but because there was no effort and creativity present. It was simply done to be cheap and easy.

This age of cheap and easy is it's own kind of purism. As though everyone is supposed to be so impressed that you didn't have to spend much and or exert effort.

Whatever the stupid chevy conversion is in the link I don't care to click on is, it would actually be more "legit" in a Camaro or Vette. The idea of putting it in a car that already has a V8 with superior potetntial is silly and based on laziness and cheapness or maybe lack of skill and confidence. "The whole product is based on a compromise of cheapness, like building a house on a dump because the land was cheap."

Now if someone stuffs a tank engine or V16 into a 928, that would be interesating and admireable
It wasnt a dig. it was a simple statement of fact. I have no problem what so ever with the purist school of thought or any other for that matter. What people do with their cars is their business, and if it makes them happy, more power to them.

That being said, your statement that people who put chevy v8's in a Porsche 928 strikes me as a bit ignorant. "The whole product is based on a compromise of cheapness, like building a house on a dump because the land was cheap." Tells me that you are a bit confused when it comes to price per horse power. To say that you can generate the same amount of hp per dollar with the two motors is patently ludicrous.

There is no other argument besides the purist point of view that even makes a little sense. To spend 3 times as much money for the same power output to me makes no sense at all. Again, if your goal is to restore a 928 to factory condition and then spend that extra money to say your car is all Porsche is fine. Its your money, and if you have that much of it to spend, good for you.

To me however, spending a lot less and getting the same if not more power when compared to 928 motors that have been upgraded, makes a lot more sense. I am sorry, but If I have 10k and you have 10k, my 350 v8 powered car is going to smoke you by at least 2 car lengths. You can not argue that.

Since I am fully agreeable and supportive of any way that an individual wants to upgrade their car, I am a bit taken back by your closed mindedness. Regardless, the Dyno doesnt lie. Since the Chevy powered 928 is putting the power through the same gears, and drive train, I dont see how your argument makes any sense.
Old 11-29-2012, 03:56 PM
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A for all the other posts besides Mike's, I totally see your perspective. In my case, it will probably ring true. If I cant get the motor in my 84 Euro to hum, I am not going to spend 5k replacing sensors, and who knows what else to get it back to running well and making 305. I can take that same 5 and put a 500 hp brand new 350 in it with the install kit and everything else.

Truthfully, I am hoping that I can get my Euro running the way it should be, and keep it in there. My ideal scenario has my Porsche car being powered by a Porsche engine. To liken a chevy motor to a dump is both ignorant and closed minded. MOST race cars in nearly every category are powered by Chevrolet motors. Personally, I am a ford guy.
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i agree that a chevy motor is cheaper and can get more power, but for some the appeal is in the original german work of art. if i had the cash and a second car to make a track car, a nice LS conversion would be great! and that nice 6 speed conversion! id love that!
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Originally Posted by M928
It shows it weighing 2800 lbs in one area and 2900 in another.
Usually in that range of ET every 100 lbs is worth about .1 of second in 1/4 mile.
11.3 at 2800 to 2900lbs would be more like a normal 3400lb car
running around a 11.8 to 11.9 area.
Could of just put a Stage 3 supercharger on the 928 as some are
running 11's already.Would of taken a day instead of all that time
to convert.
I understand your point. I personally do not believe in putting and SC or any other kind of forced induction on non forged motor internals. The chevy motor is fully blue printed, balanced and forged. It is designed and built to be raced and driven the way a 928 should be.

Putting a SC on a stock motor that hasnt been rebuilt is a bad idea IMO. Now it would be different if you were putting a sc on a brand new 928 motor. That would be great. I just dont think doing it to a motor with 75+ k miles on it and internals that are unknown is a good plan.
Old 11-29-2012, 04:01 PM
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When you can get a full crate LS3 for less than that $5k.....priceless
Old 11-29-2012, 04:05 PM
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Not a "Purist", but a hacked 928.........is still a hacked 928.....


jmho....
Old 11-29-2012, 04:06 PM
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You would do well to read more and post less....there is already more than enough discussion of the chevy conversion. And it has all been said and done. I opened the hood on a Euro car the other day and there it was, an old oily dirty 350 with small tube headers....looked lost in there I just laughed !!
Old 11-29-2012, 04:12 PM
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James, this wasnt a post to start a chevy conversion discussion. Just to show a car a came across that was a chevy conversion, happened to make 500 hp and go over 200 mph. Like my post said, what people do with their motors and cars is up to them.

I did however feel the need to respond to a ridiculous statement that was made relating to my post. That was it.
Old 11-29-2012, 04:24 PM
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Just a side note - I don't care what you or anyone else does with their 928.

BUT - there are plenty of folks who thought the cheap path to solving a 928 stock engine issue was to implant a chevvy.

Many many of them discovered that it was nowhere near as cheap or easy as they thought - and that the project was not as satisfying as expected anyway (even after all the $$) because the car was no longer as driveable due to unresolved issues with the conversion - and/or commonly it never really ever got finished off properly anyway.

I believe this is the fate of the majority of the conversions in fact.. only a small percentage worked out really well.

Also many 928's that started down this path never saw the road again...

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The car you posted has a simple bolt in rollbar...no sanctioning body, open road race group would let it anywhere near a track or 200 MPH.....that top speed is an " estimate " . But it SHOULD do it given that a stock S-4 hits 170 MPH or so.
Old 11-29-2012, 04:34 PM
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Okay.....coming from a 928 racer who OWNS a fully built LS2 with 520+HP (thats for sale).....

1st off.....that car will be HARD pressed to reach 200mph.....just because a chart or graph says you "can" do something.....does not mean you actually WILL......an original body 928 will be downright scary at anything near 200mph....why.....the front end WILL get light above about 140mph...which is why the S aero kit came along......

Drag racing......dude...this is SO FAR from what 928's were built to do.....if this is you cup of tea, you are MUCH better off with something american...... 928's were designed to haul a$$ of the autobahn for hours on end and are really good on a racetrack too.....

Lastly....YOU HAVE A EURO S LH.....one of most desirable 928's in the USA......a very underrated engine that loves to rev...... Here is a dyno chart from a Euro S lH engine, hampered by a L jet intake (restrictive) but it does have full race exhaust....
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ledee416
I understand your point. I personally do not believe in putting and SC or any other kind of forced induction on non forged motor internals. The chevy motor is fully blue printed, balanced and forged. It is designed and built to be raced and driven the way a 928 should be.

Putting a SC on a stock motor that hasnt been rebuilt is a bad idea IMO. Now it would be different if you were putting a sc on a brand new 928 motor. That would be great. I just dont think doing it to a motor with 75+ k miles on it and internals that are unknown is a good plan.
Familiar with 928 engines much?

And..the 928 purpose wasn't a dragracer. Its a touring supercar.


253,000 miles, 10psi, big cams...somehow it runs fine.
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Originally Posted by ledee416
.......... "The whole product is based on a compromise of cheapness, like building a house on a dump because the land was cheap."
I think he was saying the chevy motor is the house and the 928 is the dump!


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