Purists who hate the chevy conversion.... this car is legit.
11-30-2012, 10:38 AM
#136
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this chevy conversion is s monster and cost no where near what it costs to make that kind of performance with a German motor.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3314405/1979-porsche-928/
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3314405/1979-porsche-928/
11-30-2012, 11:04 AM
#137
This guy is alll excited to do it and needs to be under $2K. Maybe he just left out a zero. lol
"Please keep the updates coming. I'm picking up my 83 928 for the grassroots magazine 2012 challenge. It will be gutted and 350 Chevy. Your posts is my guideline and goal. Still have to do it for under $2000. I'm would appreciate some more pics of the dash removal and the wire conversion. Thanks. "
"Please keep the updates coming. I'm picking up my 83 928 for the grassroots magazine 2012 challenge. It will be gutted and 350 Chevy. Your posts is my guideline and goal. Still have to do it for under $2000. I'm would appreciate some more pics of the dash removal and the wire conversion. Thanks. "
11-30-2012, 11:06 AM
#138
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Were I to do a swap, and I walked into this place five years ago GungHo to do one, it would be with a good original paint 78/79 AT, and would not use a Chevy.***
Number one reason I did not try a swap, too expensive. I drove out to Las Vegas and talked to the Renegade guys, and they would not give me a price for a standard swap. Vague at least $20k, and that I needed to be prepared to pour in more to cover any issues, plus I was on my own for smog in Calif, no guarantee it would pass. I joined all of the swap forums, and talked to all the shops in Calif that actually did swaps, and the money required never became reasonable. More than one shop I talked to said they would never do another one.
Lots of swaps are done, plenty of them in Calif. so it can be done, but it takes some unique skills to do it, and I only found a couple shops focused on doing them, usually a single type or model of vehicle. Many of the swaps are technically illegal in Calif, but slip past loose visual exams at flexible inspection stations.
***78/79 are cheapest, easy to find in a nonsunroof, and use Kjet non electronic injection so no need for integration with the factory system. 5 spds won't handle serious amounts of power, and with a big motor the AT which will handle loads of power is still plenty fun. Chevy swaps are all over, I would love to see a smooth running high revving Ford mod motor in a 928, its suits it I think.
Number one reason I did not try a swap, too expensive. I drove out to Las Vegas and talked to the Renegade guys, and they would not give me a price for a standard swap. Vague at least $20k, and that I needed to be prepared to pour in more to cover any issues, plus I was on my own for smog in Calif, no guarantee it would pass. I joined all of the swap forums, and talked to all the shops in Calif that actually did swaps, and the money required never became reasonable. More than one shop I talked to said they would never do another one.
Lots of swaps are done, plenty of them in Calif. so it can be done, but it takes some unique skills to do it, and I only found a couple shops focused on doing them, usually a single type or model of vehicle. Many of the swaps are technically illegal in Calif, but slip past loose visual exams at flexible inspection stations.
***78/79 are cheapest, easy to find in a nonsunroof, and use Kjet non electronic injection so no need for integration with the factory system. 5 spds won't handle serious amounts of power, and with a big motor the AT which will handle loads of power is still plenty fun. Chevy swaps are all over, I would love to see a smooth running high revving Ford mod motor in a 928, its suits it I think.
I didnt start this thread to cause an argument. I should have known better. I am just appreciative of the 928 no matter what kind of power it is under. A ture purist would say supercharging the 928 is against grain. where does it end and where does it start? I say with the owner of the car. If I want to put a 350 in one of my 928's and get 500 hp for under 8k, then I should be able to do so (and talk about it) without being called cheap or lazy. I just think that is absurd. I am not the richest man, but I am in the highest tax bracket, and can spend some money if I choose to. I just dont see why I should if my goal isnt concourse, but rather is the roads I drive on. Just my opinion. I am sorry I even posted that car....although it is super badass.
11-30-2012, 11:09 AM
#139
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This guy is alll excited to do it and needs to be under $2K. Maybe he just left out a zero. lol
"Please keep the updates coming. I'm picking up my 83 928 for the grassroots magazine 2012 challenge. It will be gutted and 350 Chevy. Your posts is my guideline and goal. Still have to do it for under $2000. I'm would appreciate some more pics of the dash removal and the wire conversion. Thanks. "
"Please keep the updates coming. I'm picking up my 83 928 for the grassroots magazine 2012 challenge. It will be gutted and 350 Chevy. Your posts is my guideline and goal. Still have to do it for under $2000. I'm would appreciate some more pics of the dash removal and the wire conversion. Thanks. "
11-30-2012, 11:16 AM
#140
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I disagree. Renegade has a kit for 3k that will allow a monkey to put a chevy v8 into a 928. That cost includes the extra aftermarket radiator and fixins. for under 2k you can get the basic kit. If you cheap out and get the basic kit you are going to have to own a serious set of shop skills. But why would I do that when I can spend a little bit more (2800 i think), and get all the poieces already custom fitted for me... like a modified bellhousing, and other things that would suck to do yourself.
I didnt start this thread to cause an argument. I should have known better. I am just appreciative of the 928 no matter what kind of power it is under. A ture purist would say supercharging the 928 is against grain. where does it end and where does it start? I say with the owner of the car. If I want to put a 350 in one of my 928's and get 500 hp for under 8k, then I should be able to do so (and talk about it) without being called cheap or lazy. I just think that is absurd. I am not the richest man, but I am in the highest tax bracket, and can spend some money if I choose to. I just dont see why I should if my goal isnt concourse, but rather is the roads I drive on. Just my opinion. I am sorry I even posted that car....although it is super badass.
I didnt start this thread to cause an argument. I should have known better. I am just appreciative of the 928 no matter what kind of power it is under. A ture purist would say supercharging the 928 is against grain. where does it end and where does it start? I say with the owner of the car. If I want to put a 350 in one of my 928's and get 500 hp for under 8k, then I should be able to do so (and talk about it) without being called cheap or lazy. I just think that is absurd. I am not the richest man, but I am in the highest tax bracket, and can spend some money if I choose to. I just dont see why I should if my goal isnt concourse, but rather is the roads I drive on. Just my opinion. I am sorry I even posted that car....although it is super badass.
I say go for it! Just don't do it to the Euro. Sell the Euro to someone that worships a Euro.
11-30-2012, 11:19 AM
#141
I think most people agree that there is nothing wrong with putting a different engine in if it makes sense. The problem is that most people here do not think it makes any financial sense when all factors are considered. Even if you can make it work financially it has to be done right and from everything I have seen it takes some serious talent to do it right and only a few possess that kind of skill. Maybe you do I don't know. As far as engine conversions I would love to have that Subaru engine in that 914 though.
11-30-2012, 12:18 PM
#142
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Ugh. Chevy in a Porsche. Sorry, can't abide, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I understand the need for cheap power. I've had plenty of muscle cars (Mopars) and enjoyed the hell out of them but I have never been one for cross-pollination.
I was showing off the other day, revving the 928 for my neighbor and watching him smile. When I turned the engine off he said "That sounds different from other V8s, and in a good way"
I was showing off the other day, revving the 928 for my neighbor and watching him smile. When I turned the engine off he said "That sounds different from other V8s, and in a good way"
11-30-2012, 12:44 PM
#143
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The overall problem is..is that the engineering into the 928 plant pays for all of the effort you have to _sink_ into the Chevy plant to get to the same high HP reliability.
This is why we _rarely see any GM transplant project ever freaking work_ here.
Because the incidentals in the project kill you.
You know why 50 vendors make HD engine bits for GM engines, you need them.
You know why no vendors compete to the masses for HD engine bits for the 928, you dont need them. The very few that do, are for specialized uses..the factory stuff is beyond the capability for most people to bend them with power adders.
11-30-2012, 01:03 PM
#144
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Hmmm...The title of the thread.... "Purists who HATE the chevy conversion".... has certainly rattled alot of emotions here...AGAIN. Interesting how people can HATE something that they are not familiar with, have never experienced, and do not want to consider learning about. The overwhelming majority of comments made about the costs of chevy conversions, and the reason why owners have converted their car come from purists who don't know the facts... because it is easier to....HATE - CHEVY.
NOW,,,How about those people who HATE the Porsche Transmission/Transaxle. The poor Trany will not operate the way the owner wants it to .....SO they Convert it to something that is not Porsche engineered!!!! Can you believe someone would do such a thing????
NOW,,,How about those people who HATE the Porsche Transmission/Transaxle. The poor Trany will not operate the way the owner wants it to .....SO they Convert it to something that is not Porsche engineered!!!! Can you believe someone would do such a thing????
11-30-2012, 01:34 PM
#146
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At the exact second someone puts a non-Porsche 928 part in a Porsche 928, a "conversion" has been started. It's only a question of degree. Given the scarcity of some of the original parts, most 928's have already been "converted" in some form.
Personally, I find unabiding loyalty to a brand, any brand, somewhat ridiculous. A 928 is just a car. It's even a great car. Is it the holy grail of vehicles? Those who make money off them will try to convince you that it is. That's just the way it is and probably the way it should be.
Not sure about the V6, but an LS in a Ferrari makes even more sense than in a 928.
There are currently 3 Ferrari 400s (one already pre-sold via a Ferrari dealer) and a Maserati in the Carson City shop getting LS conversions. There are also two AC Acecas being redone, one of which is being re-designed into a street car by Peter Brock (you know, the guy who designed the Daytona Cobra Coupe, who ran a couple of winning Datsun Trans Am teams and the guy who stuffed a small block in a 510, just for fun).
Conversions have been around a very long time and will continue to gain popularity as many of the older GT cars "mature" into broken down and hard to fix hunks of metal.
Personally, I find unabiding loyalty to a brand, any brand, somewhat ridiculous. A 928 is just a car. It's even a great car. Is it the holy grail of vehicles? Those who make money off them will try to convince you that it is. That's just the way it is and probably the way it should be.
Not sure about the V6, but an LS in a Ferrari makes even more sense than in a 928.
There are currently 3 Ferrari 400s (one already pre-sold via a Ferrari dealer) and a Maserati in the Carson City shop getting LS conversions. There are also two AC Acecas being redone, one of which is being re-designed into a street car by Peter Brock (you know, the guy who designed the Daytona Cobra Coupe, who ran a couple of winning Datsun Trans Am teams and the guy who stuffed a small block in a 510, just for fun).
Conversions have been around a very long time and will continue to gain popularity as many of the older GT cars "mature" into broken down and hard to fix hunks of metal.
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11-30-2012, 01:40 PM
#147
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yep. the 928 Euro motor sounds amazing when it is running well. Like I said, I am really hooping that I can get the Euro motor running well. I was told it ran and then was put away for a year. Compression test is good. When I turned it over with carb cleaner it growled for a brief second. It sounded very nice.
But, if not, then I will have to pursue other issues. I cant see spending what it may take to get a 928 engine running well if it needs any sort of major part... I dont think it does, but I do not know for sure yet. I am hoping to get lucky like I did with the 80. A few relays., and it is humming nicely.
But, if not, then I will have to pursue other issues. I cant see spending what it may take to get a 928 engine running well if it needs any sort of major part... I dont think it does, but I do not know for sure yet. I am hoping to get lucky like I did with the 80. A few relays., and it is humming nicely.
11-30-2012, 01:46 PM
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How many guys have done 2 conversions I wonder.
If it is so great there must be some folks that would do it again.
The real problem start when after they are done and there is a problem, and there are going to be problems, not many 928 mechanics are going to work on them, and not many Chevy guys know anything about P cars.
My nickels worth, cause it does not matter to me, you guys carry on.
If it is so great there must be some folks that would do it again.
The real problem start when after they are done and there is a problem, and there are going to be problems, not many 928 mechanics are going to work on them, and not many Chevy guys know anything about P cars.
My nickels worth, cause it does not matter to me, you guys carry on.
11-30-2012, 01:51 PM
#149
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If for some mysterious reason you can't get that relatively rare Euro running properly, sell it to someone who can, and who appreciates it for what it is.
As has been stated numerous times, if you want to drop a SBC in a 928, find a more common 928 model to start with.
It only makes sense.
As has been stated numerous times, if you want to drop a SBC in a 928, find a more common 928 model to start with.
It only makes sense.
11-30-2012, 01:53 PM
#150
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I was at the Big Turkey Run car show in Daytona last week and saw a small sign in a beautiful "converted" street rod. The sign read... " Anyone with a manual and a parts list can restore a car to its original slendor...BUT...It takes a Real Man with a creative mind to chop one up and put it back together again!!
I LIKED that sign....but I am sure many of you HATE it
I LIKED that sign....but I am sure many of you HATE it