Cole

Just an interesting quote from another forum.

victor25

Hey guys..... Catching up on postings this morning. I have been in Buffalo for the last few day for work. Not too bad of town, but definitely a depressed area.

Ok so the conclusion is that I will definitely not part the car! I have decided that I may sell the car if the offer/price is right. In the meantime I will continue to work on the car and make improvements to bring it back its rightful life and place on the pedestal.

I am going to start with the mechanicals and make sure everything is solid there. Timming belt, trans, brakes, diff, etc,etc.... Thinking I will plug away at thin interior a little at a time, as I do the mechanicals and exterior.

Also if anyone has any new thoughts or ideas in getting the title made road legal, I am open to any and all thoughts or ideas.

Tom in Austin

Nothing more fun than following a project ... pls post plenty of pics, this will be an epic save !

Adamant1971

It was a destruction title right?

Unfortunately this car can never be registered again in Canada with it's current title and the VIN no longer exists with the MTO so it must go through the import process again, and with it's title it will only be admissible into Canada for parts.

The following brandings are a no go for Canada.
Junk, scrap, parts, parts-only, dismantled, non-repairable, destroyed (destruction), irreparable

SteveG

Slightly off topic: Call me a "pin-head lady" if you want: Because, in the judgment of those pin-head ladies, the combine is only on the public highway a micro amount of time and the entire economy of Kansas is dependant on those machines being able to move about the state, once going north and again six weeks later going south, and that $600 car you refer to is far more likely to reach some velocity and cause property damage to something other than a road sign and possibly kill somebody because the brake lines disingegrated. Maybe a Porsche you chopped is safe, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but it is a short hop from what you propose to what some people call "welding." I'm hoping they stop you if that is what it takes to keep the $600 rust bucket off the road. Sorry about that, but neither you, nor anybody else should be allowed to get away with swapping vins.

BTW, I have some time on a Gleaner, but that was a long time ago in a land far away.

We're having fun here, right?

danglerb

I'd like to draw a distinction between restoration and perfection. What we have seen recently is perfection, people starting with a very nice car and making it perfect and exactly as they want it to be. Restoration I have yet to see, all the below average cars get a treatment I call, fixing up, one of those $6k paint jobs and some new hoses. Makes me think of those guys who list mileage not on the chassis, but since the motor was rebuilt by putting in seals and rings.

victor25

Hey just so you know.... the 6k paint job I am talking about is a job done RIGHT!! A fully sanded with the doors, hood, moldings, deck lid, bumpers, glass, lights, etc etc etc removed paint job. I have seen this guys work many times and you would approve. Just because you live in orange county and pay twice that price is not the rest of the worlds problem. For starters the paint here is 1/4 the price it is there, and better quality.

Adamant1971

Dito that, I can get a similar job here for about 6k as well with a great shop that had done work fir me in the past. Although I could easily roll up to a shop in the city and pay 10. When these shops see a high end car roll up they see $$ in your eyes!

Cole

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...888430871.html

S4ordie

"This posting has been flagged for removal" ?

Cole

It was a 13k mile 1995 auto GTS. Listed at $95,000

Gary Knox

Danglerb wrote: "I'd like to draw a distinction between restoration and perfection. What we have seen recently is perfection, people starting with a very nice car and making it perfect and exactly as they want it to be. Restoration I have yet to see, all the below average cars get a treatment I call, fixing up, one of those $6k paint jobs and some new hoses. Makes me think of those guys who list mileage not on the chassis, but since the motor was rebuilt by putting in seals and rings."

Danglerb, the reason you can say that is you have NEVER seen the '91 GT that Earl Gillstrom truly brought back from the dead to showroom condition about 9 years ago.

Earl spent essentially a year on this Zermatt silver car that had been totaled by insurance companies three times - one crash, one engine fire, and once when it came off the rear of a roll back truck that was transporting it and was hit in the rear by a car at a toll booth.

EVERYTHING that was damaged in any of those incidents was removed, replaced with new cables, parts, etc. The ONLY thing I believe a concours judge might find that is not perfect is the HVAC controller, where he installed an '88 version, rather than buy the '91, as he wanted to be able to shut it off instead of going to recirculation. Anyone who knows 928's and sees this car for the first time is VERY impressed, as I'm sure you would be. Earl is retired, so had the time to "do it right", and the interest/knowledge as well (worked at a Porsche dealership early in life, was a race car mechanic for a while, and spent many years as a highly rated IBM computer technician).

I do, however agree with you that 95+% of the "restored" cars are really repaired, not restored.

Gary Knox

Bilal928S4

So how much did the car end up costing him? More than these cars that are currently being listed at high $'s?

danglerb

You can't put a pricetag on a labor of love. From a practical stand point the time is just crazy that that sort of project can take. I think most people that try it do so not so much for the results, but to do a difficult project.

9 years ago a 91 GT is a car that should be saved if it could be saved, still is, but not done that often or well.

Regarding the $6k respray, I'll believe it when I see it. A $24k respray is far more involved than pulling parts and sanding, but could be the practical differences don't show up until a few years of sun and weather.

928ntslow

Now that I think about it...have you tried calling a body shop? The reason I ask, is that I went to a body shop here in Portland that works on Porsche's and other high end cars. They had a brochure of their work and they took a completely totaled (and I mean TOTALED) 996 turbo, stripped it down and started over again. The car was amazing when they were done. It must have been a destruction title at worst.

I would think if a builder, a body shop or even those guys that buy wrecked cars out of the scrap yard and rebuild must be able to get a title somehow. I'd start with calling a high quality body shop and if they couldn't help you, call another, then another... If that comes to a dead end, call custom car builders and see how they do it.