Cam Gear Thread
#212
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AO,
I think you are right as it was wear that was the cause for the change of gear material.
Now where can we find about 100 sets of very good condition 32v gears and set about having them coated.
If you have a set currently then coating is the answer.
Roger
I think you are right as it was wear that was the cause for the change of gear material.
Now where can we find about 100 sets of very good condition 32v gears and set about having them coated.
If you have a set currently then coating is the answer.
Roger
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission? George Layton March 2014
928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
#214
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Martin - to say the tooth profile is not important after so many detailed descriptions of the many available tooth forms is a red herring is not right in my book. I beleive it to be very significant and the main reason I could not make a replacement gear available because of the tooth form.
I have never seen a notification from Porsche that they changed the gears at all never mind defining the material and hardness.
I looked at making the gear from steel and the weight gain was significant. We looked at a carbon fibre center with a steel ring - like so many of the latest gears. In every case the cost of machining the exact tooth form coupled with the replacement/resharpening cost of the actual special shape cutting tool killed the project costs wise at every turn. If I ran about 1000 copies it began to make some sense cost wise but the circa $200k investment was a little to rich even for my blood 8>).
I have never seen a notification from Porsche that they changed the gears at all never mind defining the material and hardness.
I looked at making the gear from steel and the weight gain was significant. We looked at a carbon fibre center with a steel ring - like so many of the latest gears. In every case the cost of machining the exact tooth form coupled with the replacement/resharpening cost of the actual special shape cutting tool killed the project costs wise at every turn. If I ran about 1000 copies it began to make some sense cost wise but the circa $200k investment was a little to rich even for my blood 8>).
So my feeling, and I think from what you have stated above we are mostly in agreement, is that this is a materials issue: get the profile of the sprocket as correct as possible, and make it from the hardest light alloy available, which for all practical purposes, is 7075. So I very much appreciate the clarification that Porsche has not officially identified the alloy from which these sprockets are made.
Ergo, a proposal:
1) an Optical Comparator evaluation of available designs (forget normal photos- just not accurate enough) to evaluate how closely aftermarket products match original Porsche design;
2) a hardness test of the same samples.
Let's eliminate voodoo in favor of the empirical.
Please, no popcorn.
#215
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Roger how about a cf centre with the hard running surface. I would certainly consider that a better option if it could be done for the same price circa 400 each. In fact i'd be in for a set.
#216
Drifting
Since I have never seen the engine on a 944, I was wondering what the difference is between their cam gears and are's,
and
the reason i am asking is because there seems to be a performance gear for them, why not for us?
here is what I am talking about.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944CAMGEAR.html
and
the reason i am asking is because there seems to be a performance gear for them, why not for us?
here is what I am talking about.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944CAMGEAR.html
#217
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Since I have never seen the engine on a 944, I was wondering what the difference is between their cam gears and are's,
and
the reason i am asking is because there seems to be a performance gear for them, why not for us?
here is what I am talking about.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944CAMGEAR.html
and
the reason i am asking is because there seems to be a performance gear for them, why not for us?
here is what I am talking about.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944CAMGEAR.html
#220
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I have been reciting the gears that are not overly worn for a long while.
I won't say what I've been coating it with but I will say that I have them on a bunch of cars with many miles on my own car, and a bunch on others.
No additional wear seen on belt, and zero wear on gears.
I won't say what I've been coating it with but I will say that I have them on a bunch of cars with many miles on my own car, and a bunch on others.
No additional wear seen on belt, and zero wear on gears.
#221
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I've kept all the ones I think could be saved, we might need to talk Colin.
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Martin,
Agree completely, "optical comparator" is the term I was reaching for back on posts 176/178. I have seen them in action, but forgot the actual term. There are also nowdays probably laser based, computer controlled equivalents, but any good quality control shop should be able to make the comparison accurately.
Dave
Agree completely, "optical comparator" is the term I was reaching for back on posts 176/178. I have seen them in action, but forgot the actual term. There are also nowdays probably laser based, computer controlled equivalents, but any good quality control shop should be able to make the comparison accurately.
Dave
#223
Race Car
Since I have never seen the engine on a 944, I was wondering what the difference is between their cam gears and are's,
and
the reason i am asking is because there seems to be a performance gear for them, why not for us?
here is what I am talking about.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944CAMGEAR.html
and
the reason i am asking is because there seems to be a performance gear for them, why not for us?
here is what I am talking about.
http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/944CAMGEAR.html
Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft
#224
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I wonder if the 944 crowd beat the dead horse about whether the tooth profile of the Lindsay Racing gear was the same as the OEM Porsche gear before bolting on their car?