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Old 09-02-2011 | 01:57 PM
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Actually, the best way to fix a damaged / broken wire is to completely replace it.
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Actually, the best way to fix a damaged / broken wire is to completely replace it.
Well Duh................
Old 09-02-2011 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Scherer
I've been known to crimp and solder some connections. It often has to do with the quality of the terminals. Terminals for large gauge stuff is almost always crimp-only (usually meaty enough material that crimps well), but the terminals for small gauge wires are often pretty cheap and I just worry about pull-out or otherwise dodgy connection. Just a little bit of solder and you don't have to worry about it.
Exactly, I always use a crimp barrel when I do a soldered connection.
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Ok, now you guys are making more sense. It kind of seemed you were bashing the crimp, and repairing solely with a glob of solder.
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Originally Posted by Maleficio
Ok, now you guys are making more sense. It kind of seemed you were bashing the crimp, and repairing solely with a glob of solder.
What's more likely to give with vibration or a mechanical action on a small wire (not a cable) - solder or crimp ?
Go crimp.
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FM antennae wiring in the 928 is a good example of a wire too thin to crimp, and also would be ideal for the solder sleeves shown earlier.
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Originally Posted by MainePorsche
What's more likely to give with vibration or a mechanical action on a small wire (not a cable) - solder or crimp ?
Go crimp.
If it is subject to a lot of vibration, then you need to secure it better and use a crimp, they seem to live longer where there is a lot of vibration.
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"Correct, but it has more to do with most wires on aircraft being Aluminum than anything else, also a solder connection does not have the vibration resistance that a crimped does."

I have never seen an aluminum wire on an airplane. Tinned copper is standard in most places, with special high-temp wire where necessary.

"Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks that talk about doing work on aircraft have a A&P license? "

No A&P, just 30+ years experience in aircraft manufacturing/engineering.
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I think the reason there are so many bad crimps out there is because it is much more likely for a bozo with $5 to go out and buy some crap crimper and incorrect connectors at XYZ auto parts and do a crap job. It is much less likely for this to happen with soldering.

This does not mean that crimping a wire done properly is better/worse than soldering a wire done properly. Maybe there is a difference, but I would think it would be very small in such a case.

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Big shops like a repair station or a airline, very few have a A&P, small general aviation shops, then most do.

Originally Posted by WallyP
"Correct, but it has more to do with most wires on aircraft being Aluminum than anything else, also a solder connection does not have the vibration resistance that a crimped does."

I have never seen an aluminum wire on an airplane. Tinned copper is standard in most places, with special high-temp wire where necessary.

"Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks that talk about doing work on aircraft have a A&P license? "

No A&P, just 30+ years experience in aircraft manufacturing/engineering.
Old 09-02-2011 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by WallyP
No A&P, just 30+ years experience in aircraft manufacturing/engineering.
So you are the one I need to talk to when I set zero trim and the plane goes to the right. Dxxmn riggers. oops now I did it.
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Originally Posted by Mother
So you are the one I need to talk to when I set zero trim and the plane goes to the right. Dxxmn riggers. oops now I did it.
Lol, just like the 928 has a WSM, and I am not sure what aircraft you are talking about, I bet there is some info about rigging...........
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What kind of airplane with copper wiring?
Not sure I have ever seen much copper in a General Aviation type of AC.

Originally Posted by WallyP
"Correct, but it has more to do with most wires on aircraft being Aluminum than anything else, also a solder connection does not have the vibration resistance that a crimped does."

I have never seen an aluminum wire on an airplane. Tinned copper is standard in most places, with special high-temp wire where necessary.

"Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks that talk about doing work on aircraft have a A&P license? "

No A&P, just 30+ years experience in aircraft manufacturing/engineering.
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If not aluminium, nor copper, what is it?
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Aircraft wire is copper coated with silver, right?



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