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07-31-2011, 09:46 AM
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If that's the same car, where are the front and rear spoilers?
07-31-2011, 09:58 AM
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If? Maleficion, you underestimate. Car is documented, btw. Letter (mid 80's date) from Porsche confirms vin 00011, but erroneously notes its the 11th built. The owner knew it was very early from discussion with the german gentleman who sold it to him, some kind of test car, and a couple years after buying it mailed an inquiry to Porsche directly. We <think> the series starts for 79, and also for 78, at 00010 for some reason <need interpretation here from Mr. Vilhuer on this topic>. Not uncommon for them, in research, to mess up some details. Guess its not my place though, now after typing this, to dish on Jim's car... thats up to him, sorry I'll stick with visual observation of my own.
Common to add spoilers, to update, when imported or afterwards.
If you look at the pictures, you will see the front unit was added without cutting the front fascia for the S brake duct that you have on your car.
The rear spoiler is kind of hanging across the hatch (we noticed) with through-bolts used only at the top of the hatch sides, where the long thin parts of the center rear spoiler end.
The side rear spoiler sections were added somehow, but fortunately without use of the standard hardware, so easy removal is possible.
Fascinating to fiddle with an early one. Guess it doesn't mean much to most folks, but I think its cool, after getting hooked on the #6 story.
Common to add spoilers, to update, when imported or afterwards.
If you look at the pictures, you will see the front unit was added without cutting the front fascia for the S brake duct that you have on your car.
The rear spoiler is kind of hanging across the hatch (we noticed) with through-bolts used only at the top of the hatch sides, where the long thin parts of the center rear spoiler end.
The side rear spoiler sections were added somehow, but fortunately without use of the standard hardware, so easy removal is possible.
Fascinating to fiddle with an early one. Guess it doesn't mean much to most folks, but I think its cool, after getting hooked on the #6 story.
Last edited by Landseer; 07-31-2011 at 01:42 PM. Reason: Corrected So speculation is not stated as factual.
07-31-2011, 10:26 AM
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spoilers weren't even an option in 77/78. They first appeared on the euro cars in 80. Any 78/79 with spoilers is a later add on. Passenger mirrors not sure about. Mine has a passenger mirror, and it appears to be stock. I have the wiring in the door to move it and so forth. Not sure about when rub strips began.
07-31-2011, 10:53 AM
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If? Maleficion, you underestimate. Car is documented, btw. Letter (mid 80's date) from Porsche confirms vin 00011, but erroneously notes its the 11th built. The owner knew it was very early from discussion with the german gentleman who sold it to him, some kind of test car, and a couple years after buying it mailed an inquiry to Porsche directly. We know the series starts for 79, and also for 78, at 00010 for some reason. First 10 weren't built. Not uncommon for them, in research, to mess up some details. Guess its not my place though, now after typing this, to dish on Jim's car... thats up to him, sorry I'll stick with visual observation of my own.
Common to add spoilers, to update, when imported or afterwards.
If you look at the pictures, you will see the front unit was added without cutting the front fascia for the S brake duct that you have on your car.
The rear spoiler is kind of hanging across the hatch (we noticed) with through-bolts used only at the top of the hatch sides, where the long thin parts of the center rear spoiler end.
The side rear spoiler sections were added somehow, but fortunately without use of the standard hardware, so easy removal is possible.
Fascinating to fiddle with an early one. Guess it doesn't mean much to most folks, but I think its cool, after getting hooked on the #6 story.
Common to add spoilers, to update, when imported or afterwards.
If you look at the pictures, you will see the front unit was added without cutting the front fascia for the S brake duct that you have on your car.
The rear spoiler is kind of hanging across the hatch (we noticed) with through-bolts used only at the top of the hatch sides, where the long thin parts of the center rear spoiler end.
The side rear spoiler sections were added somehow, but fortunately without use of the standard hardware, so easy removal is possible.
Fascinating to fiddle with an early one. Guess it doesn't mean much to most folks, but I think its cool, after getting hooked on the #6 story.
That really is a beautiful car.
07-31-2011, 11:36 AM
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They were built btw early Jan. late Feb. '77.
They were used to scrutinize and refine the build process developed for the production line while the production line was being built, as well.
There were close eyes on these cars, from engineers and all types of Porsche brass. In the end, the cars were completed Feb. 22nd, just in time to ship them to Nice, France for the press launch.
Lots of information is laced throughout this thread:
'77 ('78) Porsche 928, "Number Six", Preproduction Press Car
The odd "non-production" details are similar to both, and include (off the top of my head):
- No rear sunvisors
- White plastic interior bits painted black (paint chipped)
- No AC
- different rocker sill plates (no "928" inset)
- this one has odd window rocker switches (will research)
- cross-brace mounts welded-in, post-paint (then painted with black)
- no black beading btw bumper covers and chassis
- no sidemarkers, ROW or US
- no ROW rear foglamp
- hand painted striped wire looms
- colored interior, yet armrests, a-pillar covers, and headliners all black (hadn't yet production colors for these parts)
If? Maleficion, you underestimate. Car is documented, btw. Letter (mid 80's date) from Porsche confirms vin 00011, but erroneously notes its the 11th built. The owner knew it was very early from discussion with the german gentleman who sold it to him, some kind of test car, and a couple years after buying it mailed an inquiry to Porsche directly. We know the series starts for 79, and also for 78, at 00010 for some reason. First 10 weren't built. Not uncommon for them, in research, to mess up some details. Guess its not my place though, now after typing this, to dish on Jim's car... thats up to him, sorry I'll stick with visual observation of my own.
Common to add spoilers, to update, when imported or afterwards.
If you look at the pictures, you will see the front unit was added without cutting the front fascia for the S brake duct that you have on your car.
The rear spoiler is kind of hanging across the hatch (we noticed) with through-bolts used only at the top of the hatch sides, where the long thin parts of the center rear spoiler end.
The side rear spoiler sections were added somehow, but fortunately without use of the standard hardware, so easy removal is possible.
Fascinating to fiddle with an early one. Guess it doesn't mean much to most folks, but I think its cool, after getting hooked on the #6 story.
Common to add spoilers, to update, when imported or afterwards.
If you look at the pictures, you will see the front unit was added without cutting the front fascia for the S brake duct that you have on your car.
The rear spoiler is kind of hanging across the hatch (we noticed) with through-bolts used only at the top of the hatch sides, where the long thin parts of the center rear spoiler end.
The side rear spoiler sections were added somehow, but fortunately without use of the standard hardware, so easy removal is possible.
Fascinating to fiddle with an early one. Guess it doesn't mean much to most folks, but I think its cool, after getting hooked on the #6 story.
You are more than well qualified to discuss any of this.
Guys, this nice fella has listened to me on the phone dork out on the early car stuff for the past year. Not to mention 6 hours in a suburban yesterday!
The guy to ask about unused 0-10 VIN#'s would be Erkka Villhuer. Hopefully he will chime in.
All I know is there is no history of earlier non-prototype 928's, and prototypes were still being built for testing into Mar. '77.
Projekt 928 mentions 6 were used as crash test prototypes. My understanding is crash testing was completed in '76.
The car is quite original! Non-original features include:
- Front and rear 'S' spoilers
- Passenger side mirror
- 7" USDOT headlamps
- Ansa rear muffler section (original non-cat pre-muffler is intact)
- Rubstrips (they appear to have been added with some level of presicion. Possible to have been added by Porsche before having left its stead in '79)
- bumper beading added when the car was repainted
That's about it.
07-31-2011, 05:02 PM
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Wow, I don't claim CIS expertise given some of the other talent on the board, but I'm closer at-hand than many and have substantial scars from past skirmishes with the self-regualting beast.
If I can lend a hand, drop a line!
If I can lend a hand, drop a line!
07-31-2011, 05:14 PM
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I inquire on 78 Euro/ROW weekly, mainly looking for early car parts. I have a list I keep track of VIN's, when the sellers (or salvage guys) are kind enough to give me them.
It's usually the first questions I ask, and in this case, when the seller rattled off 9288100011, my heart skipped a beat.
Then I played it cool, and matter-of-factly said, "oh, that's cool... I like old 928's. What color is it?"
Hoping to hear him reply, white... was thrilled when he confirmed.
Later, I told him I would be interested in buying it, as long as the engine was original. He asked if I would want to buy it if the engine number was incorrect, and I replied, no.
When he called back, and read off 8180021, this was exactly what I needed to hear. SOLD.
07-31-2011, 08:04 PM
#58
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Thanks man!
I inquire on 78 Euro/ROW weekly, mainly looking for early car parts. I have a list I keep track of VIN's, when the sellers (or salvage guys) are kind enough to give me them.
It's usually the first questions I ask, and in this case, when the seller rattled off 9288100011, my heart skipped a beat.
Then I played it cool, and matter-of-factly said, "oh, that's cool... I like old 928's. What color is it?"
Hoping to hear him reply, white... was thrilled when he confirmed.
Later, I told him I would be interested in buying it, as long as the engine was original. He asked if I would want to buy it if the engine number was incorrect, and I replied, no.
When he called back, and read off 8180021, this was exactly what I needed to hear. SOLD.
I inquire on 78 Euro/ROW weekly, mainly looking for early car parts. I have a list I keep track of VIN's, when the sellers (or salvage guys) are kind enough to give me them.
It's usually the first questions I ask, and in this case, when the seller rattled off 9288100011, my heart skipped a beat.
Then I played it cool, and matter-of-factly said, "oh, that's cool... I like old 928's. What color is it?"
Hoping to hear him reply, white... was thrilled when he confirmed.
Later, I told him I would be interested in buying it, as long as the engine was original. He asked if I would want to buy it if the engine number was incorrect, and I replied, no.
When he called back, and read off 8180021, this was exactly what I needed to hear. SOLD.
