928NOOBIE

Probably a coffin...no scratch that...I'm probably going to decide to be buried in it....more expensive than anything at the funeral parlor...unless they had like a Mayan pyramid or something...I might trade for that...or an Egyptian one....

Otto Mechanic

Then I suppose you could go all in on a $230,000 GT4?


At those prices, I'd buy one of each! A GT R for the street and a GT4 for those weekend track adventures?

R.Pires

Since my youth my top two dream cars are the 928 and the 930 Turbo.
Fortunately I have a 928 in my garage but I doubt I will ever have a 930.
So the idea is to keep the 928 in top shape and leave it to my children but, before that had another one of my small dream cars to my garage!
Hopefully during this year....

Mongo

Unknown to most people, the AMG GT and GTS are the same engine with a different tune. Renntech, AMR and Eurocharged have solved that issue with a base GT making 600HP on stock internals and turbos.

In my opinion a base GT is a bargain.

Now with regard to the AMG GT4, does this still carry the M156 engine from the GT3? This engine is NA and not the Turbo M178 that is in the street cars. Mercedes opted for natural aspiration for racing for 2 reasons, lower cost and the fact that the M178 was too powerful to use in GT3 and GT4 racing (Blancpain GT and GT Open won't allow the turbo engines either).

terry gt

Yes the FERRARI is quieter than the 928 at highway speed , cruising , but I find myself driving without the radio on , just to listen to the V12 at higher than necessary RPM
2 the trunk is fairly big , the car is 7 inches wider than the 928, I don't golf
3 you can change the nature of the car by a switch on the steering wheel . from mild to race car . race mode changes the suspension , transmission / motor programs . all the traction control systems . brings up gps based lap timers
my car has the optional HGTE handling package with stiffer springs/HD sway bars / upgraded wheels tires / exhaust system ect.
the 599 has a enzo based motor , with dry sump / chain driven cams / hydraulic lifters and 620 HP at 8400 RPM
front engine / rear transaxle just like a 928. A 599 GTO held the lap record for production cars at the Nuremburg ring .

SwayBar

Oh my gosh is THAT beautiful!

Mark Anderson

I love the flying buttress and challenge wheels

928 GT R

Terry GT,

Thanks for the information. The "higher than necessary RPM" listening pleasure is a pleasant option with this car but I'm glad it has a "turn it off" mode, and I appreciate for the clarification. I have a service appointment for my winter Cayenne next Friday and am interviewing the sales and service managers at our closest Ferrari dealership that day.

While Rosso Corso IS the defining Ferrari color, I think something like this is also beautiful:



This one "got away" as did the red 599 on BaT. Alas, I'm not ready to purchase without more research and some seat time. Plus the cumulative actions of the Federal Reserve draining $500 billion in liquidity from the markets in the last year, while simultaneously raising interest rates spells economic slowdown and lower prices for all asset classes.

Seriously considering going into Vulture mode while awaiting the right replacement for the 928...

terry gt

928 RT R .
I spent some time talking to the local service manager at FERRARI , He said the car is very reliable and they have had very few issues . The clutch on the F1 system is something that can be abused by people driving the car like a automatic ,
its really a manual transmission with a automated third peddle (sorry Roger ) , they have updated the software in the F1 to make it more positive
I think the 599 is a rolling piece of art , so did FERRARI when the made a GTO version, the F12 and the new 812 are considered by many as not as nice looking .
I don't the pricing will get lower , In my opinion the 599 is a modern Daytona

Koenig-Specials 928

Terry thanks for your input on the 599. I've been contemplating moving up to one. I have a gated (3 pedals) 2004 360 Spider but it is a boy racer in every way.
I want something more refined but the documented (Fchat) F1 issues on the 360 and 430 are preventing me from going to the F430.

So did Ferrari get it right with the 599?
Is it as problematic as the other 2 with stupid things like it will not start if one of the stop light bulb is burnt out/or stop light fuse blown?
I appreciate your input.
Thanks

terry gt

Ha ! that's funny a tail light out and your stuck . A 599 is a very different car . biggest issues I have read about / been told are , old battery / low voltage issues , clutch issues , driver caused ( driving like a automatic , backing up hills) . hitting the start button in less than 5 seconds after tuning on the key , and the biggest complain is sticky rubber surface on the buttons .
Keeping in mind most of these cars just sit , so they can suffer from common issues just like a really low mile 928
The motor in the 360 is a older design than the 430 , the motor in the 430 is used right up to the 458 and 488 as well as all the Maserati's , hopefully they revised the F1 for the 430
Love the F1, the computer will modify the shift to how your driving and mode you have selected on steering wheel , 100 mil second shifts at 8400 rpm . Or just leave it in manual and paddle shift it . Its such a fast car shifting and RPM matching is one less thing to worry about

Otto Mechanic

I'd sort of figured that when I went to the Merc website and looked over the tech specs; it seemed obvious they'd just de-tuned the GT since it had the same displacement and bi-turbo the R has. I almost posted the question here, but this is mostly a Porsche site so I didn't expect anyone to really know.

4L 8, bi-turbo, various bhp figures for the same motor? Looks like de-tuning to me?

Koenig-Specials 928

Thanks Terry

Otto Mechanic

Can't agree more. The AMG GT R in that gorgeous metallic gray is the car. Stunning. I can't fault your choice in any way.

928 GT R

Interesting search... Over the past few days I've been on one car filled adventure after another.

Last Friday en route to Atlanta (928 #1's induction to the PCNA Museum) I spent four plus hours getting to know the players at our local Ferrari dealership while my winter Cayenne was getting its 60k service.. Made appointment and arranged meetings with sales and service managers etc. I figured that if I was going to get serious regarding the purchase of a 612 Scaglietti or a 599 Fiorino that I'd be well served by building a relationship with the dealer first and drive as many cars as possible to get a feel for what is a reasonable Ferrari GT to drive during the summers.

What an eye opener! Like race or show horses, the true cost of Ferrari's prancing horse is not found in the purchase price, the real cost is in maintenance.

Roads were clear and dry without any winter salt crust so I drove a 28,000 mile 612 Scaglietti. It felt a bit tired, nothing like a 28k 928. Beautiful, but tired.







Really did not enjoy the early 2005 F1 gearbox, it is clunky and awkward. I am not alone in my observations and have ruled out all 612's or 599's older than 2007.

The dealership and it's staff were awesome! The design of the dealership and its cleanliness were spectacular and eye candy was everywhere! I will be making more trips to test other cars...

Then on to the Porsche Experience Center to await the delivery of 928 #1. True to form Porsche did not disappoint while I waited for drooman to arrive. After setting up a driving class in a 2019 911 Turbo S, I was invited to drive the new Panamera Turbo S Hybrid. Wow, what an outrageous hammer it is! 600+hp and incredible creature comfort.




Heading out onto the track...



As extraordinary as Ferrari was, Porsche eclipsed Ferrari's presentation by a substantial margin (national headquarters with test track vs one dealer) so that part was expected. But the Turbo S was so easy to drive, for all its bulk, the Panamera was blindingly fast and composed, it came to hand without effort. Porsche makes so many variations of the automobile, why no true GT with space for luggage and a couple of sets of golf clubs like a 928?

Next test? The Ferrari FF, It is a 12 cylinder AWD, V12, Shooting Brake... Gotta love these first world questions...

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