the flyin' scotsman

I've driven a recent 911 and a DB9 and lusted after F cars.

The DB9 is a 6 speed 09 with very few miles........I would buy it in a min. if the $$$ were right.

Stephencs601

951 and 996

Nicole

Not drinking, but probably getting old (just as the 928).

I was always interested in forward looking design and technology, which the 928 was in its time. But it no longer is. It's still surprisingly modern, but its a (fast) Dinosaur compared to the (slow by comparison) ELT.

I actually like the exterior design of the ELT very much. It's strong, with a bold stance. It oozes self confidence. The interior is a bit overloaded in my book but it has all the conveniences integrated that we miss in the 928 now (and you painstakingly integrate yourself).

So, yes, I like the ELT, except that it's not a hatchback (I never owned a car that wasn't), and I wish it had about 10-15 miles more range.

The only other car I'd be interested-in is the Tesla Model S, or whatever smaller car they might introduce in the future. I believe those are the only viable electric-only cars out there, due to their long range and supercharging capability. I could even walk to the factory to pick it up. However, the Model S is way out of my price range and far exceeds my needs in terms of interior space.

tv

OK Curt, but i have to use the posts here to explain myself.



Cut the crap. Everyone knows what the deal is. We all have a history here. You PRESUMED we don't have the same opportunity to experience (your words) what you do and you singled out my post of valid opinions by emphasizing your ownership. It is preposterous to say that you have to own a car before you can say whether you like it's looks or not or its other known attributes, even Alan, not a fan of mine, picked up on that.

It's the old line of crap from 911 guys, f-car owners, and others that stigmatize the 928. It's owned by people who can't afford anything else. It's BS and should not be re-inforced by members of the 928 community like it was above. That condescension was what made me post what I posted.


You have always been about the money here. I just did a little history review and almost all of your posts involve the money side of owning cars. Almost nothing about driving. You have always been the money guy here, endlessly harping about the GTS premium and its 6 figure sales. Not to mention Kermit. All the talk about kermit and it's price tag. I never piped up about it when it was happening. But the fact is I was the guy who first knew of Kermit and what the asking price was. I saw it and examined it in NH in 04 at the car rally at the bud plant when the guy couldn't give it away for 23K and drove it away dejected. I believe I sent you a pm way back then about my sighting. Then you got miffed that Prorsche AG didn't want it at the time your asking price was 70K.

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chuck and money
same attitude here



Interesting regarding this thread


If I were some newbie on here and had just bought my first car and shot out some wild opinions then maybe singling my post out would have made sense but that is not the case. My only interest in cars is driving and appreciating great design, not status and not money. That's why I drive a 928 Euro and think a lot of other cars are over-priced and/or over-rated.

Randy V

^^^ For a guy that's been on here almost every day since 2003 and has never been able to afford to pony up $17 as a token of giving back to the community, there is no way in hell you could come up with enough cash to pay for a new pair of shoes, much less a $150 K supercar.

Like I said, give it a rest twinkle toes.

Back to the topic, with feedback from folks that have actual experience.

Alan

Uh OH !

OK back to our regular programming - its all about the cars - NOT the money.

There indeed may be some things where you actually need to own a car to understand fully...

That doesn't include how it looks inside & outside, its general specification, basic performance, how much it costs to buy.

The ownership experience is all about the nuances, how it makes you feel, real drivability/handling, comfort, perceived performance, long term ergonomics, daily practicality, rattles!, noise, smells, running costs, reliability - how it makes you feel after a year...

For me at least its easy for me to decide what cars I'm interested in based only on looking & reading.

There are plenty of cars I can't afford that I wouldn't want anyway - a Veyron comes to mind - I have seen and touched one - and while I think the engineering is super impressive - I have no real interest in one (even money no object). Many Ferraris/Maseratis also fit in the same bucket - many that I actually find quite ugly, but others I love .

For the ones I really like the look of - sure - I'd like to know more on the intangibles....

But lets remember - We were all teenagers once and lusted after cars we couldn't afford (if this never applied to you - on either count - I pity you!). We probably didn't even touch/see - let alone drive most of what we lusted after.

But I bet you still remember what most of them were

Sad to look at something like a Lambo Countach today and realize it was a virtually impossible daily driver, likely much less fun overall than you'd imagined then - certainly not like a 928 (which was also on my list). Imagine stop & go traffic in a Countach - arrggh!

How many own a 928 because its the only supercar car they can afford Vs because they think its a great (old) car to keep alongside other fine cars... Who gives a rats... Its pretty much the same reason in the end.. its about the cars.

Lets just keep it that way.

Alan

curt_928

My opinons on pricing are stand as they are. In my opinion I know what I would pay for a 928.. and that is that.

Look, regarding the "money" aspect.. I've been to C+C and I've overheard the guy in the Ricer Z-Car berate my 360, oh it's not worth it.. it's overpriced.. it's slow.. yaddity yaddity yaddity. Take this the wrong way, I don't care.. but critique of my Ferrari is going to sound more genuine and less jealous coming from someone who arrives in a comparable car. It is what it is. Everyone here could afford to pay cash for a Veyron or Murci.. but doesn't because of this or that. Sure, I understand that.

BTW my favorite car owner to talk to is the die- hard guy with a $300 (money again) beater VW or Rx-7 that he restored himself. It really cool how people work on their cars, love them, and fix them themselves.

Now regarding driving my cars.. I'm not going to tell you outrageous performance numbers for my 928 (sic).. but I will tell you that the Boxster and 360 below 50 are much more neutral in the turn in... but can understeer requiring correction under power. The 928 doesn't have that in my experience. As cruiser, the 928 really shines compared to the other two. And for the $XXXX (money again), I just can't get myself to sell her.

G8RB8

I don't know where you got the idea I could afford a Veyron, but you shouldn't trust the source at all.
As to the Boxster's handling I find mine very neutral on Bridgstone Potenzas in stock size, and understeer is rarely a problem. A tiny bit of power is all it takes to get it to step out. Are you sure you didn't mean oversteer?

Ad0911

You know, the first 315 posts on this thread were quite enjoyable. It gave pretty good insight in people's different preferences. And that's what is so nice about Porshe as a car brand. Every single model polarises the public. A true love it or hate it brand. Even wthin one model opinions are polarised. With every model change the car gets better but there is always a group of people who think the car loses some of its Porsche-ness. And when there is so much variety within one brand and een within one model, there will inevitably be a wide variety of people owning one.

polecat702

I've was informed by the wife last night, that she wants and expects me to buy her a Nash Metropolitan, before I buy another car for myself. At least it's cheap. WTF?

curt_928

It could be my alignment setup or my rubber (Sumitomos). Could also be.. I'm a maniac behind the wheel. Lower speeds toss left, toss right..

360 really has a tendenncy to understeer at speed and power. I think it's the aerodynamics and/or alignment setup planting the car because it should be more neutral. Supposedly with 430 setup solves it with greater toe in. (IIRC)

EspritS4s

I love all the recent Astons, but at the top of my list would be a Vanquish S (with a manual transmission). They may not be as beautiful as the Vantage, DB9, or DBS, but they look meaner:

Chuck Z

My God man, how much free time do you have? That post was truly funny!

Here's the difference between the comment I made about you saying "you could buy any car that's been discussed here (twice you said it)" and the quotes you dug up from my past posts is: MINE WERE PROVEN AND TRUE AND YOUR COMMENT IS PURE BULLS!TE! BUT, THE BIGGEST DIFF, MINE WERE BASED ON FACT NOT TESTOSTERONE.....

Get a life my brother!

tv

Birds of a feather, Sandy, who almost ran the place into the ground and Chuck, tell it to someone who cares.

Dan87951

I'm not much on here anymore but thought it would be fun to respond to this post.

I love 928's and always will! When I was kid this was a cool car for me, its design and presence were totally different from anything out there on the road at the time! It was no doubt the 928 is a very beautiful piece of machinery in motion! I sold my beautiful low mileage (42k) black 87 928S4 last year to my father and bought an Aston Martin DB9. I think the DB9 is a modern interpretation of the 928. It has great lines, beautiful to look at, and the driving characteristics are similar. I have only had the car 6-7 months but so far it has been a joy to own and learn. Oil changes are definitely a job and part prices are very stupid but all in all its only money, right? In the words of Ferris Bueller "If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up."