928 vs. 350Z - what to do with $15,000
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When I was autocrossing my Boxster S, I know, I know it's not a 928, but...Anyway my Boxster S spun a bearing, ie. died getting back on the gas coming out of a corner, then knock, knock, knock on restart. I had only done 4 of my 8 laps. Called 1 800 Porsche and they sent a tow truck. I must of looked sad and pitiful because a fellow racer let me do my remaining 4 laps in his 350Z. It was the "track" model with bigger brakes and stiffer suspension.
First off, I was faster than the owner and surprisingly a bit faster than my Boxster S. However, given the choice I was very happy to own the Boxster S instead. The Z felt cumfy but cramped, the suspension was very very harsh even on a smooth track, and the brakes had no real modulation. Any time I touched the brake pedal it felt like I just hit a brick with the front wheels. And trying to modulate it was on-off-on-off felt like braking on a cobblestone road and it was on a perfectly smooth track.
My best explanation of the difference in Japanese cars is the tactile feel of operating the controls, buttons, and *****. They just feel cheap and chicklety with too many sharp edges and zero effort to do anything. Push a button or turn an **** on a German car and it has travel and resistance, you feel like you engaged something. Push a button on a Japanese car and you feel like you may or may not have actually turned something on or off.
First off, I was faster than the owner and surprisingly a bit faster than my Boxster S. However, given the choice I was very happy to own the Boxster S instead. The Z felt cumfy but cramped, the suspension was very very harsh even on a smooth track, and the brakes had no real modulation. Any time I touched the brake pedal it felt like I just hit a brick with the front wheels. And trying to modulate it was on-off-on-off felt like braking on a cobblestone road and it was on a perfectly smooth track.
My best explanation of the difference in Japanese cars is the tactile feel of operating the controls, buttons, and *****. They just feel cheap and chicklety with too many sharp edges and zero effort to do anything. Push a button or turn an **** on a German car and it has travel and resistance, you feel like you engaged something. Push a button on a Japanese car and you feel like you may or may not have actually turned something on or off.
#47
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When I was autocrossing my Boxster S, I know, I know it's not a 928, but...Anyway my Boxster S spun a bearing, ie. died getting back on the gas coming out of a corner, then knock, knock, knock on restart. I had only done 4 of my 8 laps. Called 1 800 Porsche and they sent a tow truck. I must of looked sad and pitiful because a fellow racer let me do my remaining 4 laps in his 350Z. It was the "track" model with bigger brakes and stiffer suspension.
First off, I was faster than the owner and surprisingly a bit faster than my Boxster S. However, given the choice I was very happy to own the Boxster S instead. The Z felt cumfy but cramped, the suspension was very very harsh even on a smooth track, and the brakes had no real modulation. Any time I touched the brake pedal it felt like I just hit a brick with the front wheels. And trying to modulate it was on-off-on-off felt like braking on a cobblestone road and it was on a perfectly smooth track.
My best explanation of the difference in Japanese cars is the tactile feel of operating the controls, buttons, and *****. They just feel cheap and chicklety with too many sharp edges and zero effort to do anything. Push a button or turn an **** on a German car and it has travel and resistance, you feel like you engaged something. Push a button on a Japanese car and you feel like you may or may not have actually turned something on or off.
First off, I was faster than the owner and surprisingly a bit faster than my Boxster S. However, given the choice I was very happy to own the Boxster S instead. The Z felt cumfy but cramped, the suspension was very very harsh even on a smooth track, and the brakes had no real modulation. Any time I touched the brake pedal it felt like I just hit a brick with the front wheels. And trying to modulate it was on-off-on-off felt like braking on a cobblestone road and it was on a perfectly smooth track.
My best explanation of the difference in Japanese cars is the tactile feel of operating the controls, buttons, and *****. They just feel cheap and chicklety with too many sharp edges and zero effort to do anything. Push a button or turn an **** on a German car and it has travel and resistance, you feel like you engaged something. Push a button on a Japanese car and you feel like you may or may not have actually turned something on or off.
I love that fact that a blown engine didnt get you away from cashing in those extra 4 laps. Thats pretty funny, I think most people would be wrecked. I guess if it was under warranty then who cares really.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. The tow truck gave me and the car a ride to the dealer whom had a G35 loaner car waiting for me. The next day, Monday, the dealer mechanic pulled the data log and then told me the repair would be warranty as there was nothing in the data log that indicated I had done anything to cause problem. The next step was to drain and check the oil. The oil had metal shavings in it so that meant new motor. Dealer mechanic said he had to ship it whole and couldn't even open it up to see what happened.
#49
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Greeting from Hong Kong.
Buying a 928 is to experience an automotive milestone. Gorgeous but temperamental.
Getting a 350z is a practical ownership of good sport car. However, the 350z is nothing short of butt ugly in my book. The G35 is a much better looking car.
Apples to oranges.
Steve
Buying a 928 is to experience an automotive milestone. Gorgeous but temperamental.
Getting a 350z is a practical ownership of good sport car. However, the 350z is nothing short of butt ugly in my book. The G35 is a much better looking car.
Apples to oranges.
Steve
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OK guys, thanks for the interesting stories/opinions and the usual BS we all love. I'm not sure I could be happy with a Nissan, since I have had a Porsche 944 since 1999. It has always been my daily driver (my wife drives the minivan), and I also drive it north to Canada every summer. I need a new car to replace her, and I thought perhaps the 350Z would provide for my needs and be a little bit more reliable for those long trips and daily to work. My 944 has never let me down, I have never been stranded or towed anywhere, and I have never had a breakdown in the boonies. Once she even broke the center of the clutch plate in the back woods of southern Idaho, but we made it all the way back to Fresno for the clutch job! What a trooper she has been.
Now that's soul, for sure. I have been worried that a 928 I could afford would not have that kind of reliability. And it's true that a really good 968 coupe is not any less in price, but a lot harder to find.
But the stories and opinions about 350Zs here are not sounding too good. I thought some people would say "definitely go for Nissan if it's reliability you want," but no one did. Someone said they had a neighbor on his second engine? Good grief.
Now that's soul, for sure. I have been worried that a 928 I could afford would not have that kind of reliability. And it's true that a really good 968 coupe is not any less in price, but a lot harder to find.
But the stories and opinions about 350Zs here are not sounding too good. I thought some people would say "definitely go for Nissan if it's reliability you want," but no one did. Someone said they had a neighbor on his second engine? Good grief.
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The 350z is after all only a Nissan. The 928 is a thoroughbred, and like all thoroughbreds, tempermental,and highstrung. But the rewards outweigh the liabilities. 15 grand will get you a great 928.
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Wow, that is one loaded post. I'm trying to think of reasons why you believe it is true. Perhaps people who like Nissans are too lowly to deserve a Porsche? Or is it something less complimentary to Porsches, that perhaps if you like Nissans, then you value reliability, which is not a feature of a Porsche? Really not sure how it applies to me, since I have had my Porsche 944 for 11 years but would consider a 350Z as its replacement. Call me practical?
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Yasin I drove a track prepped 964 which felt absolutely slow compared to my GT. You really need to do yourself a favor and get behind the wheel of a $25K plus S4 or GT 5 spd and then form an opinion on the 928. The power may not be comparable to a modded 911 turbo but then again if you were in a supercharged 928 it would be a better comparison.
For reference absolutely everything in my GT works and with exception to slight warping of the rear quarters it looks completely new inside and out. No broken *****, switches or wear/tear. Nice 928's are out there, go find one and drive it.
For reference absolutely everything in my GT works and with exception to slight warping of the rear quarters it looks completely new inside and out. No broken *****, switches or wear/tear. Nice 928's are out there, go find one and drive it.
My best explanation of the difference in Japanese cars is the tactile feel of operating the controls, buttons, and *****. They just feel cheap and chicklety with too many sharp edges and zero effort to do anything. Push a button or turn an **** on a German car and it has travel and resistance, you feel like you engaged something. Push a button on a Japanese car and you feel like you may or may not have actually turned something on or off.
But I digress...isn't the soul of a car more than a switch?
Yasin,
What the hell is the car in your avatar?! Must be a 930...didn't look like it from that small pic... knowing the power, I take my challenge back...you would at the very least out drag race me from corner to corner in that BEAST! I instructed for LSR for YEARS! I think I have 20,000 DE instruction miles in the right seats of all kinds of cars! Over 10k track miles on my S4, most of them at TWS.
Turbo Miata is a fast car bro...they are REALLY fast around TWS too!
You do need to drive a nice S4 though Yasin, you will like it...and a nice 5spd will really float your boat. Remember they WERE the Flagship of the Porsche line up!
What the hell is the car in your avatar?! Must be a 930...didn't look like it from that small pic... knowing the power, I take my challenge back...you would at the very least out drag race me from corner to corner in that BEAST! I instructed for LSR for YEARS! I think I have 20,000 DE instruction miles in the right seats of all kinds of cars! Over 10k track miles on my S4, most of them at TWS.
Turbo Miata is a fast car bro...they are REALLY fast around TWS too!
You do need to drive a nice S4 though Yasin, you will like it...and a nice 5spd will really float your boat. Remember they WERE the Flagship of the Porsche line up!
My best - Yasin
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Drove the z, even drove the GT-R while I was debating my last... Compared to my 79' both were too clinical, too.. efficient and competent.
Driving both felt like having sex with a smokin hottie... while wearing 2 condoms.
And that is all I will say about that. ;-)
Driving both felt like having sex with a smokin hottie... while wearing 2 condoms.
And that is all I will say about that. ;-)
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If you are really debating... buy the 350z. People who really love 928's don't debate their purchase, just how to explain their purchase to the rev limiter.
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The unique character of this car is something you either really want, or you don't. If you go in the purchase on the fence, the outcome might not be something you are willing to deal with.
The unique character of this car is something you either really want, or you don't. If you go in the purchase on the fence, the outcome might not be something you are willing to deal with.
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I would take a 300ZX over a 350Z. Both would make excellent winter beaters while the 928's are put away