'77 ('78) Porsche 928, "Number Six", Preproduction Press Car (Updated 3-18-13)
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Porsche - Excellent was Expected, excerpts
I'm reading "Excellence was Expected" by Karl Ludvigsen for one of my winter indoor projects.
Naturally, I had to skip ahead to the final Chapter 32 to read up on the then new 928. First edition was published in '77 as it happens.
So Karl Ludvigsen was right on the scene during the 928 launch as he was just finishing his epic 4-year journey into Porsche. Perfect!
I will share my favorite excerpts relating mainly to early 928 launch.
Author's preface excerpt -
First few paragraphs -
Preproduction cars -
Press quote -
Production launch -
Photos by Karl Ludvigsen
Download PDF here (5meg)
Naturally, I had to skip ahead to the final Chapter 32 to read up on the then new 928. First edition was published in '77 as it happens.
So Karl Ludvigsen was right on the scene during the 928 launch as he was just finishing his epic 4-year journey into Porsche. Perfect!
I will share my favorite excerpts relating mainly to early 928 launch.
Author's preface excerpt -
In February 1977, I had a chance to meet Fuhrmann again and to try
the latest product of his shrewd discrimination and the skill of the Porsche
engineers: the 928. Other men joined us in Nice for the historic introduction:
Heinz Branitzki, Helmut Flegl, Tony Lapine, and Manfred Jantke were among them.
These were members of a new generation at Porsche. Like me, they had
grown up with the company. They were now ready to make their own
contributions to its progress. The 928 showed just how fine those
contributions could be.
the latest product of his shrewd discrimination and the skill of the Porsche
engineers: the 928. Other men joined us in Nice for the historic introduction:
Heinz Branitzki, Helmut Flegl, Tony Lapine, and Manfred Jantke were among them.
These were members of a new generation at Porsche. Like me, they had
grown up with the company. They were now ready to make their own
contributions to its progress. The 928 showed just how fine those
contributions could be.
"What's it like?"
The first journalist, who posed the question, expected a factual
answer from the second journalist, who had just returned from a
drive of several hours through southern France in a new Porsche
928. Instead, he heard a flat statement that he could not believe:
"It makes all other Porsches old-fashioned"
All other Porsches? How could that be? thought the first
journalist, who loved the lusty 911's and the velvet-gloved
mailed fist that was the Turbo. He had not driven the 928,
but he could hardly imagine that is might outclass the 911 in its
finest form. Later, he too drove the 928, and he too was asked,
"What is it like?"
He heard himself give an oblique answer:
It's as if all other Porsches have been just practice exercises
for the men who designed this car"
Such were the impressions the 928 made on some of the first
non-Porsche people to drive it at the end of February 1977. Fine
though the 911 was and still would be, the 928 clearly
represented a doorway through which Porsche would drive into a
new era. The car possessed an astonishing clarity of conception
and execution, from its superb engine to its ingenious suspension.
Invested in the 928 were all of Porsche's experiences with the road
and racing cars the company had designed and built since it was
established in 1930. And the Porsche engineers were able to put
that experience to work in the 928 for one surprising reason: the
928 was the first production car in Porsche's history that the
company had been able to design completely from scratch.
The first journalist, who posed the question, expected a factual
answer from the second journalist, who had just returned from a
drive of several hours through southern France in a new Porsche
928. Instead, he heard a flat statement that he could not believe:
"It makes all other Porsches old-fashioned"
All other Porsches? How could that be? thought the first
journalist, who loved the lusty 911's and the velvet-gloved
mailed fist that was the Turbo. He had not driven the 928,
but he could hardly imagine that is might outclass the 911 in its
finest form. Later, he too drove the 928, and he too was asked,
"What is it like?"
He heard himself give an oblique answer:
It's as if all other Porsches have been just practice exercises
for the men who designed this car"
Such were the impressions the 928 made on some of the first
non-Porsche people to drive it at the end of February 1977. Fine
though the 911 was and still would be, the 928 clearly
represented a doorway through which Porsche would drive into a
new era. The car possessed an astonishing clarity of conception
and execution, from its superb engine to its ingenious suspension.
Invested in the 928 were all of Porsche's experiences with the road
and racing cars the company had designed and built since it was
established in 1930. And the Porsche engineers were able to put
that experience to work in the 928 for one surprising reason: the
928 was the first production car in Porsche's history that the
company had been able to design completely from scratch.
The team's next task was to build ten test cars for the
journalists who had been summoned by Manfred Jantke form all
corners of the globe to southern France to try out the 928 in
concentrated sessions beginning on February 23rd. Since
production had not yet started, many provisional pieces had to be
used in those cars, especially the interiors. The rush to get
them finished was reminiscent of the readying of the first 917's
for their homologation review. Finally, though, the cars were
completed - the day before the tests began.
journalists who had been summoned by Manfred Jantke form all
corners of the globe to southern France to try out the 928 in
concentrated sessions beginning on February 23rd. Since
production had not yet started, many provisional pieces had to be
used in those cars, especially the interiors. The rush to get
them finished was reminiscent of the readying of the first 917's
for their homologation review. Finally, though, the cars were
completed - the day before the tests began.
Tony Curtis of Motor wrote "it handles magnificently,"
adding: "There is a sense, indeed, in which the 928 has no handling at all:
it simply goes round corners where the driver wants it to go without effort or fuss.
Reported the author: "The steering is not so precise and direct as a 911's -
but what car is? - but it is almost that good. Only a slight numbness hints at
its power assist. It controls road handling that's the definition of neutral.
It's so predictable that you simply track it through turns faster and faster until,
near the limit, the front tires shudder a warning and the rear rubber gently,
controllably slackens its grip on the road."
..."As might be expected from a car of this breeding," said Curtis,
"the brakes proved powerful and reassuring and did not show a trace of fade
during the fastest mountain descents we tried."
And the author commented: "the engine is stunningly versatile. It is capable
of paving the road in strips of rubber in first gear, yet it is so quiet that it's
inaudible above the sighing of air around the car at highway speeds. If you
want to drive it hard you can enjoy the way it revs past 6000, but you don't
have to, because its torque lets you drive all day in fifth, even, without
shifting. Its intake air is perfectly silenced and its exhaust is a smooth, deep
mumuring without a trace of V-8 blat."
adding: "There is a sense, indeed, in which the 928 has no handling at all:
it simply goes round corners where the driver wants it to go without effort or fuss.
Reported the author: "The steering is not so precise and direct as a 911's -
but what car is? - but it is almost that good. Only a slight numbness hints at
its power assist. It controls road handling that's the definition of neutral.
It's so predictable that you simply track it through turns faster and faster until,
near the limit, the front tires shudder a warning and the rear rubber gently,
controllably slackens its grip on the road."
..."As might be expected from a car of this breeding," said Curtis,
"the brakes proved powerful and reassuring and did not show a trace of fade
during the fastest mountain descents we tried."
And the author commented: "the engine is stunningly versatile. It is capable
of paving the road in strips of rubber in first gear, yet it is so quiet that it's
inaudible above the sighing of air around the car at highway speeds. If you
want to drive it hard you can enjoy the way it revs past 6000, but you don't
have to, because its torque lets you drive all day in fifth, even, without
shifting. Its intake air is perfectly silenced and its exhaust is a smooth, deep
mumuring without a trace of V-8 blat."
Limit volume production of the new car began in May of 1977. By August
it was stepped up to twenty cars a day...
it was stepped up to twenty cars a day...
Photos by Karl Ludvigsen
Download PDF here (5meg)
Last edited by Jadz928; 02-03-2012 at 05:36 PM. Reason: grammar
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This 1st edition really shows the tone of the anticipated 928 release. Quite palpable! (Aside from the fact I've been immersed in this early 928 research)
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^^^
If I find it, I'll PM you first.
Speaking of the Geneva car salon, Karl mentioned "Several 928's were in the floor. A white one had a red interior, and a red one, on a sloping plinth, was saddle tan from its dash to its trunk"
Several... hmm, more than two 928s at the Geneva show?
If I find it, I'll PM you first.
Speaking of the Geneva car salon, Karl mentioned "Several 928's were in the floor. A white one had a red interior, and a red one, on a sloping plinth, was saddle tan from its dash to its trunk"
Several... hmm, more than two 928s at the Geneva show?
#187
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^^^^^
I'll take ANY of those that might have an auto trans...LOVE that white with ALL RED interior one! YUMMY!
Brian, you are quite right...every bit of documentation Jim is doing is adding value to that car!
I'll take ANY of those that might have an auto trans...LOVE that white with ALL RED interior one! YUMMY!
Brian, you are quite right...every bit of documentation Jim is doing is adding value to that car!
#188
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Good question about the auto.... don't know yet.
I know they fitted one in prototype W5 in '76.
Re added value:
Historic value most definitely!
But I don't believe that relate to cash value because there is no real ardent collectors market for these early cars.
Actual cash value to me is what I paid for it. ACV for the market in general is what others were willing to pay for it on ebay - $3300.
Potential value is high, and highly risky because the amount of money it's going to take to acheive a level of restoration which appeals to a broad range of collectors - not just our local community (you guys are awesome!).
I believe Number Six's core value is in it story and uniqueness.
My primary goal is to develop its story and preserve its antiquity.
Given I don't have a disposable income will require a high level patience and some sacrifice. Only time will tell if I'm up to the task. Donations accepted graciously.
My hope is that if the car even leaves my stead, It will be better than I found it, it goes to the right new owner, and I break even (or there-abouts).
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While we are telling tales I bought my 78 back in 79. At the time a good friend worked at Bondurant as a mechanic maintaining the Z cars they used for the driving school. I think at the time the Z was a 260 and modifications were made for the Sears Point Track and the cars had a few engine mods as well. My friend was a Lotus guy with little respect for much else with the feeling that Porsche was more name than value.
One afternoon Porsche showed up with a truck load of 928's. They offloaded them and let the school's instructors put them up against the modified Z cars. The 928 stock off the truck blew the Zs off the track and in the process earned the respect of my mechanic friend. Remember the 78 was the Car Porsche wanted to build. Light and luxuous but with performance from the CIS injection and low gearing. The low end torque does allow one to drive the car almost all day in 5th.
I am surprised at the early test drive review of the brakes. The first 928 has front brakes that do fade without provacation. The brakes were probably the biggest design flaw in the early cars. The braking system did not catch up to the car's preformance until S brakes were fitted to the car.
One afternoon Porsche showed up with a truck load of 928's. They offloaded them and let the school's instructors put them up against the modified Z cars. The 928 stock off the truck blew the Zs off the track and in the process earned the respect of my mechanic friend. Remember the 78 was the Car Porsche wanted to build. Light and luxuous but with performance from the CIS injection and low gearing. The low end torque does allow one to drive the car almost all day in 5th.
I am surprised at the early test drive review of the brakes. The first 928 has front brakes that do fade without provacation. The brakes were probably the biggest design flaw in the early cars. The braking system did not catch up to the car's preformance until S brakes were fitted to the car.
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Dan, thanks for the story!
Ron, I hope this already is a blog. I want it to be active. I ask for feedback and need help developing a plan. It always helps to have other jog a new train of thought.
Condsider this a drop-zone for early car research, stories and restoration. Thanks!
Ron, I hope this already is a blog. I want it to be active. I ask for feedback and need help developing a plan. It always helps to have other jog a new train of thought.
Condsider this a drop-zone for early car research, stories and restoration. Thanks!
#192
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Is this your 928 Jim? It's the front and back cover of a 1979 (Italian) Sales Brochure. I can't seem to find a year in it, so I can only go by what the seller said.
Inside pics
Congrats on the awards!!
Inside pics
Congrats on the awards!!
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Panorama, April '77
Porsche Panorama got awesome early exposure to the 928.
So much so, they dedicated their whole April issue to its release.
This is a great read, especially the hotel lobby interview with Porsche management, to include Ernst Fuhrmann.
Leonard Turner's photos are nothing short of what we've come to expect - fantastic!
Download PDF here (3.3meg)
Thanks go to Dean Fuller for the great lead!
So much so, they dedicated their whole April issue to its release.
This is a great read, especially the hotel lobby interview with Porsche management, to include Ernst Fuhrmann.
Leonard Turner's photos are nothing short of what we've come to expect - fantastic!
Download PDF here (3.3meg)
Thanks go to Dean Fuller for the great lead!
Last edited by Jadz928; 02-03-2012 at 05:37 PM.