WTB 94/95 GTS
 

So I've been searching for a little while and realizing there are a limited number available, what is a realistic buy price for a manual GTS? I've found two with under 20K mi, asking $78K.....?? Any input?

Naturally, lower miles... price goes up. Esp w/low production #.
The range appears to be $20-100K
Really nice 5M drivers can be had $35-45K

it all depends....if you are looking for an ultra low mileage survivor that will be a pampered garage queen and rarely driven....it could be near $100k....

If you want a nice driver with say 100k miles...it could be in the low 30's....

Have a nice GT available if interested....

Now that is a great car. I still can't believe no one has bought it yet.

Not sure even a NICE 100k mile 5spd GTS would be as low as $35k... Probably closer to $40k for a nice one...

That said, a manually shifted auto will blow you AWAY!!! So, you might consider opening up your search a little. You can indeed find a nice '94 GTS auto (in the 75k miles range) for $33kish realistically. I have a pretty warped view of what is nice...my cars win awards all the time despite sometimes high miles (my '92 has 135k miles)!

BTW, I just drove the '92 tonight for the first time in a few weeks and OH MAN I LOVE THAT CAR!!! WOW! Could use a little more audio, the RMB is just not enough! It really is something special though! The '94 is too, but does not even have an RMB so it is WAY to quiet, but fast as $hit! Both of them are! They both LOVE temps in the '60's and I have to say, after a hot summer, so do I!!! What a gorgeous night tonight!

If you want a manual, GET A MANUAL!

That character of the manual and auto 928's ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

Jim Morton on this board may still have his gorgeous Black with Tan 5 Speed GTS. Not sure what year it is but I recall he was asking $35,000

There was a seller in So cal with a Polar silver car (93) I believe asking $33,000 or there about.

Ryan is right, if you MUST have a 5spd then get a 5spd, if you THINK you need a 5spd because it is going to be faster, then keep dreaming...a REALLY GOOD driver could probably go faster in a 5spd, but few amateurs ever will. The problem gets to be traction and auto GTS's can break the rear wheels loose plenty easily. Even on a race track I have SHAMED many (dare I say all of them around here) 5 spd 928 drivers with my S4 auto! So, if you just get a masochistic kick out of stirring the gear box by hand and/or you are looking for a fun day only car where that won't matter so much then yea, hold out for (and pay the premium for) the 5spd car. That said, if I were not in a wheelchair I probably would mostly have 5spd cars too...but I sure don't feel like I am missing much with the 928 autos.

Can anyone comment if Jim still has his car for sale? If thats your budget then Jim's car is the one I would be all over.

Jim Mortons GTS went pretty quickly.

There is no 'reasonable' price for a very limited production 15+ year old Porsche. With cars selling between $30k and $75, too many circumstantial factors influence the price. Best to decide on exactly what you want, then have the cash ready to pounce when something nice that matches what you want shows up.

Unless you plan to not drive it, i would skip the very low mileage cars, and focus on condition much more than mileage. Ideally find an obsessive owner that has put at least couple thousand miles a year recently on the car and kept it 100%.

Any special reason you want the rarest, most expensive model?

What I find personally most tempting would be an earlier car when dealers weren't ordering nothing but red, black, or white, and going with a Greg Brown stroker motor. The stroker makes so much torque, even an automatic is fun to drive.

Joe, what's your realistic budget? Wilhoit's probably the one selling the GTS you are talking about. You have to check Autotrader, Cars.com, Ebay.com and Craigslist (I use craiglook.com to search nationwide) but as you know you have to put aside $$$ even for a low-mile example unless it's been meticulously maintained and all rubber bits replaced recently.

I think you have to decide what you want out of the car. Setting 94/95 GTS and $78,000 as the target, is confusing. A 95 5M with super low mileage (10-20K) is the ultimate 928 "collector car" and it will earn a collectors premium. It will lose value as it is driven or is modified. Buying an "almost collector" car in that price range may be a costly decision. At this time, a 93 or 94 (or any year auto) are not in the same "last year/rarest example" league, and therefore should be had for considerably less, all things being equal.
If you want a clean 5M GTS to drive on Sundays, with an upgraded sound system, suspension mods, etc., I would look at the higher mileage examples (some mentioned above). If you just want a spirited 5M ride, a well cared for GT might be a better choice. Just my 2 cents.

From $40k to $105k..... for a ultra rare 5 speed GTS,one of only 30 imported.... ..2 to choose from at this time and both are excellent examples that should go up in value or hold their own ............. Both just serviced and inspected... www.willhoitenterprises.com:corn:

Got my 94 GTS 5 speed from Willhoits. Very happy with the car and the deal we struck. And yes it was in the 40K-100K range. The rare and very purdy color combo made it a premium. It had 40K miles and upgraded Hypercoil springs, Koni externally adj shocks, and DEVEK sway bars. I was very apprehensive before delivery as it was the first car I bought without seeing and driving it in person first. After the price was agreed on Michael Willhoit put new tires on it, had it professionally detailed, got a second key from dealer, and transported it to me. The car was everything he promised.

http://www.zipbang.com/928gts/zaino.jpg

Thanks for all the responses and insight. Marine Blue, I sent you a couple messages.
Points made about the 95's are good ones and probably not the car for me ($$ and I don't really desire a collector model). On with my search, thanks again!

That car is awesome!

GTS's are great investments. I've had my '93 5spd for 2 years and put 7k miles on it (presently has 49k miles). Acquired for $36.5k and put about $10k into it between maintenance and upgrades. I haven't lost a dime, IMO.

I'll give you $15,000, cash for it right now :icon107:

David,

I recall when you got that car...I agree, I think you are still even at this point! I paid a bit more for mine and despite how freakin' awesome they are no one ever stepped up with $44k for my (then 48k miles) '94 GTS over the last 3 years since I initially listed it for sale... I think it is even nicer now...extra pair of rear wheels, Paul Champagne stuff inside, refinished wheels on the car, EVERYTHING works, all maintenance up to date...now 55k miles, won the street class Concours at OCIC last year...frankly I don't think I would even take $44k for it at this moment...not that anyone would offer anyway...hell I had it listed at $43k or something like that and never even got a bite!

'93 GTS, 5-speed, Midnight blue metallic/light gray, Rubstrip delete, 100K miles, $11,000 repaint. Got her for $22K.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/redwards/pu...0100%20dpi.jpg


Started making a funny knock on the way home. Hilarity ensues...

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Decide to go for broke, had her rebuilt:

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https://webfiles.uci.edu/redwards/pu...%204-24-10.jpg

Am now into it for a little bit more than the initial purchase price...... :)

Rob, your car sure is BEAUTIFUL man! Love it! I think I like the HRE wheels better than the ones in the last pic. I have ALWAYS been a fan of the HRE's though! Glad to have your old Cup I's I have to say!

In to it for a little more than the purchase price, by that I think you mean you have spent as much on it as the initial purchase price! I suspect it is a real stormer now though! Didn't Greg do the full meal deal on that car for you???? Bore/stroke, the whole 9 yards?! Not sure how you will keep rear tires on the thing!

If you can wait....prices will go up!
 

I've owned a 356 1959 Speedster that at the time I sold for 4,500 and now sells for 125,00 + and a Jaguar XK 150 "S" sold it for $2,000 and it sold 5 years ago for $95,000 - So you got some thing special hang on for the ride and enjoy.

Best

XK 150 Picture
 

The Speedster sold for 125K and hereby a picture of the XK

Rob,

Your car is king daddy mac. Clean as hell and stroked. Motor looks day-one stock, but is putting down some awesome power. If I had the cash, even though mine is running perfect, I'd send it to Greg for that same treatment, exhaust and all. But alas, I am broke.

David-

That's alright, so am I. :)

You won the arms race, though, with great style. Best of the best.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::burnout::burnout::burnout::burnout:

Good thing it was a '93 that blew up. Since it's repainted, 100K miles, non-original engine, shaved rub strips and rear wiper, it's now a nice canvas for all the great upgrades that exist for these cars now. Had it been a lower miles '94 or '95 without a sick motor, I would have felt even worse than I do about blowing it up (of course, it wouldn't have been $22K either.....)

The original owner lived in Long Island, NY. That's where I bought the car.

Hello Joe(?),

I was looking for a Blue 94-95 GTS for a while. When Samantha's Blue GTS came
up for sale I really wanted it. Even lined up Bill B to help do a road trip to go pick it
up.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...-for-sale.html

She sold it to someone else (the luck devil), but I kept looking. Finally found one
9 months later that was local.

http://928.jorj7.com/TheGTS/images/1120-150524-01.jpg
http://928.jorj7.com/TheGTS/

Just had to be patient.

George,

You going to be drag racing that car??? It is sitting pretty high in the hind end there for sure! ;)

Looks a lot like Rob's car! Beautiful!

Thanks, no drag racing, just sitting on a slope. Funny thing about Rob's car and
mine, I had seen them both at ORR events in the past and met their prior owners.
Mine at the 2000 Pony Express II and Rob's at the 2004 Pony Express 130.

http://928.jorj7.com/2004-pony/images/Pony130-027.jpg

Heh, now that's a cool little piece of history (that I didn't get from the PO... ) :)

EDIT:

http://www.openroadracing.com/html/pe04_gsd.html

150 mph class. Guess that explains the roll bar bolt holes and the harness anchors in the floor....

I looked for 3 years for my manual GTS - passed on many cars that didn't make cut... be patient there is a very limited supply.

You need to know excatly what you want though... garage queen or driver. If its a driver don't worry about mileage - its all about condition & maintenance... many 100K mile cars are better than 30K mile cars because they were looked after and maintained well - nothing much wears out that good maintenance can't stay on top of...

Alan

When I read George's post I thought immediately of you and if the PO had disclosed any of the track/racing history of the car. Explains a lot regarding the grenading engine.

I didn't really push him on it, he clearly disclosed that his mechanic said it needed a rebuild and that it was consuming a lot of oil. The rollbar holes, harness mounting points, Koni Reds, receipts for corner balancing, old posts on the PacNW Yahoo group about HPDE days, and the box of Pagid Orange brake pads were pretty good hints too.... :) I'm glad Tom was using it the way it was intended.

still searching........

Now its reborn. Stronger, faster, better. Wouldn't have happened otherwise.

So what are you looking for now?

What is you "price" comfort zone you want to spend depending on the car ?? And is the 5 speed a MUST ???:corn:

How cool! I found my '82 in there as winner of the 135 class. Good on 'ya, Paul.

5 spd isn't a "must", but desired. As for my price point, I guess it all has to do with the condition (maintenance, records, etc..) I'm not looking for a museum piece, but something that I'll be proud of. I realize, having owned 3 p-cars, these all have a value associated with them but more importantly, an on-going upkeep expense.

Joe,

Just have patience brother. My buddy Mike in San Antonio picked up one of the nicest GTS's i've ever seen back in May.

94 GTS41K miles, he ended up paying $34K for it. HE stole it right out from Willhoit''s backyard. (Sprinfield, Mo) The car looks, smells, and drives like new!!!:thumbup:

Here's link to the car on Chucky Z's Registry
http://www.928registry.org/1994-928GTS-0190.htm

I spent 5 years looking for mine. I love the car, but to be honest w you, there are days that I think I'd sell it before I'd sell the Silver Bullit.
Did I say that out loud??:icon501:

My wife gave me the go ahead to "treat myself" for my 40th, but it came with "I'm cool w you having 1 car, but not 2, so if you get the newer 928, you need to sell the old one".

The storage facility down the road keeps the 79 out of sight and out of mind for her!! :)

Getting way off track here. Bottom line is, that we are in a very S##TTY economy and folks are unloading these cars. Bide your time and you'll be able to pick one up. (Sooner or later)

Keep checking in here on Rennlist. I PROMISE YOU, a GTS will come up somewhere and someone will chime in here and give you a heads up.

Good luck in the search!!:thumbup:

Be patient, it could take months to find a car that fits your budget and mileage criteria.

Here was a recent deal on a higher mileage (but well documented) '93 5-spd.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:en

Did that belong to a Rennlister?

Just curious what kind of records are available for most of the cars you guys are referencing at the lower prices.

It was bought by a Rennlist guy, not sure about the seller. According to the ebay listing it had the same owner for 15 years and 95k miles and he keep all records. He also knew the prior ownership history.

Something about that Iris blue GTS. I was supposed to buy that same car and the seller sold it to Samantha without even a heads up while i was waiting for the paperwork from him. In the end I am much happier. Took me over a year and the day i decided to give up on my search my GTS fell right into my lap. 15k miles later i am very happy with it.

They're out there. Stick with the 5 spd. Though Auto's are great, you will never have the control that a 5 spd will give you. Get the 5 spd in the sweet spot of the power band (at any speed), shift and feel why they call these torque monsters.

Anyone know anything about the 91 GT for sale in FL? 5spd, 44K, red/black on EBAY & AutoTrader.

IMHO, this is an exceedingly well cared for vehicle. Much $$ put in for all imaginable maintenance. The owner did not spare any expenses. It is not a one owner car, however. I believe it is a two owner car. Has GTS calipers and GTS mirros. All work was done at Gulf Performance in South Florida. You could call them for history.

That 91 GT is a nice car, but IMHO Afshin's (Marine Blue)'s car is a lot more special and even better cared for.

Good luck with your search!

FWIW dealer claims in caps that this is the only GT on global market right now. That together with his low feedback makes me want to spit, but that is marketing and doesn't mean anything else about it is bad. However, it is beautiful and appears exceptional. Even so $29K is high. Get a PPI and offer what it is worth to you. :)

+1 Afshin's is much nicer for that kinda money.

+1 more! Got to see it to believe it!:rockon:

:) thanks guys.....what a site! I talked to the dealer and he won't take any less than $26K for the car, which I think is fair, all things considered. From what I've seen and researched, I would agree with the comparison comments to Afshins......if I could just get him down to that price.......... :)

Ya get what you pay for, man. :)

I looked over Afshin's GT quite closely a few weeks back. Hard pressed to find a single flaw.
The interior upgrades and supple leather make the interior feel ultra luxurious... for a 928. I sat in it for 5 minutes, Oooooo. ;)

Joe, Jim beat me to it... you can pay less, but you will ALWAYS get less...well, almost always and CERTAINLY in this case. That said, if I was looking for a GTS there is NO WAY I'd buy anything but a GTS! If I was just looking for one of the nicest 928's currently on the market, then I'd probably have to buy Afshin's!

Something about buying a used car from a dealer irks me. Almost always some kind of gotcha is lurking.

^^^^^^^
Yea, it is like the owner realizes that the car is SO F*ED up HE can't sell it and wouldn't feel right about it if he did, so he just trades it in...then he/she does not have to feel the guilt of someone getting screwed over when they buy his car, because it was the dealers car then...NOT HIS (hers...)

Mike and James, why so cynical about dealer transactions? I've bought and sold 50+ cars over the years and only twice was there an issue with a car I bought from dealers. Both were hidden accident damage and both times I didn't have a PPI done b/f pulling the trigger. Always get a PPI!!!

In this case, I agree with what James said in a post above; if you're looking for a GTS then buy a GTS and if you're looking for a great 928 buy Ashfin's!

If you settle on a GTS, Willhoit always has a nice selection and he has a great reputation for both b/f and after the sale!

GL!

Dealers to me are like fishing is to fish markets, I'd rather find a car in the wild, plus typical used car dealers are sleaze, flippers with a store front. Willhoit seems to offer very nice cars, with up to date service etc., only down side is cost is 10% to 30% more than private party.

Son of a family friend was a used car salesman, a lifer, and we had a good conversation once. It left me with a good understanding what the job is, and what doing it well means.

The "best" used car salesman is the one who makes the most gross profit..........they keep their job, get awards, and get promoted. Typically they know little or nothing about the actual car and frankly could care less. It is just what they have available to sell and they need to sell.