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Old 12-21-2007, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MPDano View Post
Can you give me some veteran advice? I really really appreciate it.
If this is giong to be your first 928, start with one that runs.

If it were an 84-85 EuroS then maybe.....otherwise I don't see this car being worth the effort as an entry into 928 ownership.

Just being honest, good luck!
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:26 PM
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Keith, if you are lucky like I was- the carfax showed when mine came into the states and when it was released from bond and that was good enough for my DMV- but we are talking Mo and not Cali- so hope all goes well for you.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:32 PM
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Keith escaped from Socal and now lives in Oregon ...
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:43 AM
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I was going to look at this car as possible project too. You beat me to it. And my wife is really happy about that!

Please keep us updated on your progress and post some pictures if you can.

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Hi MrGST. It looks like a fun one too. First thing I did was tow her to a Car Wash spray booth and douse it with engine cleaner to see what was under all that grime. Pulled a plug and was expecting it to be white from overheating (seller stated orig owner had overheating issues), and was surprised to see a blackish carbon (rich?). Tomorrow I am going to pull all the plugs and see what the others tell me. Do you have an Eclipse GST? If so, I got a Gray GST Spyder too.
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International View Post
The ONLY aftermarket manual was the Chilton which has been out of print for maybe 10 years and had ZERO electrical information. Feel free to call me and we can talk about your car...
Hi Jim, thanks a bunch for the offer. I may take you up on that call when I get stuck. The seller did include some pretty informative shop manuals on it, so I guess I am ok for now. Thanks again!
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 928ntslow View Post
I pretty much acquired the same thing...but mine was running...kinda. As far engine issues, you are just going to have to methodically go through the car one item/system at a time until it is all sorted out.

A couple of things to look for when you go see the car is the stamp on the block. Mine reads M28/12 Which means 4.7L Automatic. This stamp is located on the top front of the block just left (passenger side) of the thermo housing/water bridge and just right of the Auxiliary Air Valve.. You may need to push the wiring harness out of the way. M28/10 is 4.5L auto, M28/09 is 4.5L manual, M28/11 is 4.7L manual and of course the M28/12 is the 4.7L auto.

You will also see a Warm Up Regulator directly in front of the intake plenum attached to the block. Where the gas feed and return lines are, you should find a hose with a banjo fitting that runs back to the fuel distributer. If you follow this to the driver side of the engine, there should be an electrical 2 pin plug with some after market wiring running to the cowl into the car to the passenger foot well fuse panel area. There you will find a US federalization CIS box. This is also hooked to the oxygen sensor in the exhaust. This right there will tell you if the car has been federalized. Also look underneath the car by the bell housing to see if there is an oxygen sensor in the exhaust.

You need to get the car running before you can get titled and such. The best you are going to do at the DMV right now is just register it "In-Op". I haven't even bothered to do any of that yet here in Oregon. It's not on the road and what the heck do they know. Why fork out any cash now. The car has been in op for a while, so whats the difference. To get the legal road stuff, you will have to be able to drive the car there for a physical inspection and then get it smogged.

I am a quick study on these things by asking lot's of questions and just taking things apart and putting them back together. If you have any mechanical know how, you will see what is right and what is wrong. I tend to remove all previous owner wiring and foolish add-ons because they are just future trouble. I am very close to registering my Euro, I just have some small issues at this point to sort out. I bought the car thinking I was buying a running beater, but basically opened up a whole can of worms that I have been chasing for the last 3 months.

Good luck, do several searches on this forum before you ask questions that have already been answered and if you can't find what you want, ASK! This is the best place on the planet for 928 info!
Thanks Keith for all the advice. I am glad I read your post as I was going to ask where the engine ID was located. I will take a look tomorrow in the daylight and see what I got. i agree, this forum rocks when it comes to answers
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International View Post
Keith I talked with the owner of this car before he listed it for sale. We concluded that it was NOT an S and opted not to buy it. The ZZZ in the middle of the vin number usually makes the DMV computer wig out ! It is highly unlikely that the car will smog (failed in 2002) ...since it will probably be referred to a State Smog Referee not just a test only but the State guys ...I believe that this car has not moved under it's own power for YEARS ! I seriously doubt that the none op papers were filed each year and the federalization papers are long gone...
Hi Keith, yup I bought the car earlier today and yes it didn't pass in 2002, but the weird thing is that all previous years it DID pass emission inspections. Carfax showed them in 1991, 1992, 1994 and 1998 as passed emissions. I will verify tomorrow when I can see if the engine is a 4.5 or 4.7 via engine ID. Non Ops were filed and the Seller and I went to the AAA to finish the paperwork (continued Non Op and Title). There was also another failed inspection in 2003. So i would say it has been Non Op since 2003 sometime.
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by michael j wright View Post
Keith, if you are lucky like I was- the carfax showed when mine came into the states and when it was released from bond and that was good enough for my DMV- but we are talking Mo and not Cali- so hope all goes well for you.
Yup, Carfax shows 1986 when a Calif Title was issued.
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:28 AM
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Welcome Danno!
The body looks to be in good shape. I notice you are missing sidemarkers behind the front wheels. Is that a key hole below the gas cap?
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by djurek View Post
Welcome Danno!
The body looks to be in good shape. I notice you are missing sidemarkers behind the front wheels. Is that a key hole below the gas cap?
Hi djurek, nope thats a mising side marker under the gas cap cover. We're there supposed to be markers behind the front wheels? This is a Euro version.

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The car has US front fenders, so maybe it was involved in a front end accident at some point.

There is something wrong with the intake runner on the drivers side, 2nd from the front....it looks like someone shortened it or its the wrong one completely
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:17 AM
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Yes, most euro's I have seen have sidemarkers behind the front wheels. I see you have a rear fog light. Maybe it was a California thing. There is an engine code stamped on the top of the motor under the stabilizing bar. M###. Did you find it? You can look it up on 928 specialists web site.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Airflite40 View Post
The car has US front fenders, so maybe it was involved in a front end accident at some point.

There is something wrong with the intake runner on the drivers side, 2nd from the front....it looks like someone shortened it or its the wrong one completely
Hi Airflite,

If you are talking about the plastic air intake above the radiator, then it's just unhooked and not mounted. I just kinda set it down to take the pics.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by djurek View Post
Yes, most euro's I have seen have sidemarkers behind the front wheels. I see you have a rear fog light. Maybe it was a California thing. There is an engine code stamped on the top of the motor under the stabilizing bar. M###. Did you find it? You can look it up on 928 specialists web site.
Found it! M28/10 Looks like its a 4.5 after all.
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