bronto

Yeah, I'm guessing the crashed OB was the first video he posted, then he went and got himself another 928 that was a little newer/faster and took that out, doing a little better it looks like.

Charley B

It's all about momentum, heh? After a few years in a 944 crapbox I have Dennis K beside me in a 928 yelling "slow down for this corner............now go damnit."

JEC_31

First vid was painful, hard lesson to learn there.


I think it's worth noting that about 2 minutes into the 2nd vid (in the rain), that same little Ford passes the 928 easily as he zips in and out of traffic, ticking off positions.

Abby Normal

Did a dose of trail-braking unsettle the car? The way it came around almost looked as if he was on the brakes..At least to me.

JKelly

Too me, even the second video is sad to watch.
Something just ain't right. He seems to be running around in the back of the pack with little weed wacker looking cars that have narrow little tires, and they are his competition.......

mark kibort

are we talking about the main video here? if so, no, no trail braking. If you noticed the lap earlier, as he gets into the turn, the back end steps out, with a slight correction. as he applies power, the back steps out again. The next time he sees the turn, the same thing happens, but on the exit, the gas is applied and in a loose condition, full throttle sends the rear end around. both feet in a little quicker could have save it, but that isnt easy to do.

mk

mark kibort

Pics of the damage.

Looks pretty bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwV7N...eature=related

Wade T

Love those vids in your sig Mark!

Cheburator

Guys,

Stop knocking the Escort down. The guy who drives it is an experienced driver and I seriously wonder how many of you have actually driven a race in the wet in a 928. For example - I have driven the Nurburgring in the rain and the 928 is like an elephant on ice skates. My car is with Leda 800/525, Ott drop links, 235/40/18 and 265/35/18 etc and can hardly stay in a straight line when I put the power down...

P.S. Jerry is using a 4.7 Euro S engine with 300bhp in a 79 body. Currently the engine resides in a 1990 GT.

JEC_31

Well on the first lap he got a snap oversteer moment from accelerating out of a low-speed turn in the rain, and took a little off-track detour. Considering that he already knows VERY well how if feels to stuff a 928 in the wall, I think we can applaud his restraint for the rest of the race.

It's much more fun to get passed by Golfs and Camaros than it is to drag your wrecked 928 home. If your traction circle is small, whether from ability, tires, track conditions, whatever - you still have to stay within it.





That's exactly what I suspected, that the Escort driver is really good and the 928 can be quite a handful in the rain.


Has everyone here watched Dennis Kao's videos? Compare a dry vid to a rain vid - he goes from race-car to grandma-car in order to complete a lap.

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Mark Kibort already pointed out that in the crash vid, the 928's suspension was probably far from optimal.

SO: Assuming that everything is in good working order, what sort of suspension tuning is needed to get a 928 to be rain-safe? Or is it all tires/tyres?

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Abby Normal

Rewatched it with the sound way up and also watched the second video showing the rear end off track. Makes sense as to why it came around so fast.

Cheburator

I would dare to suggest that my car has one of the best set-ups in terms of handling - ask drnick who has been a regular passenger at the Ring - for track / racing. Actually coming to think of it, the set-up is quite mild. Yet, the bastard would not handle on a wet track. No matter how much I play with the settings on the double adjustable, custom made LEDAs, the car is totally unpredictable in the wet. Extreme caution is advised at all times as the transition between 4-wheel drifts, understeer and oversteer is very pronounced and difficult to predict. Btw, the Falken FK452s that I was running came second behind the Good Year Eagle F1s Assymetric in wet handling...

mark kibort

I think I might get you there! does your car go around the "ring" as fast as a top pro driver running a GT3 porsche on DOT sticky tires? the holbert car does! (see Max The Axe Angelleli running the new GT3 at laguna running 1:39.5 vs the holbert time at 1:38.9)

To your point, in the rain, ill see the miatas passing me, if i dont change the set up. its still very balanced, but that doesnt really matter, its a slippery mess when its wet.

to answer the question of how to set up the car for the rain, it would be soft everywhere, like a street car. rebound, compression on soft and change the springs out to about 50-70% off the stifness. and of course, a good set of rain tires helps a bit as well

Mk

mark kibort

Yes, the Escort guy knows what he is doing. he was tossing that thing around well!

you and i have simular spring settings, except i have the larger tires and a lot less weight. when i took a passenger at Sears Point, i was 1.5 seconds slower and the car felt pretty good, just a little rolley polley on the carrocel.

is that 4.7 euro of jerry's on his new car? is that new video a new car?
and why would a 4.7 euro be in a 90GT 928??

mk

Cheburator

I am not sure whether you can get me there - I have never been able to run the car on semi slicks or slicks at the Ring. Biggest problem is oil starvation - I have observed alarming dips on several corners and I value my engine quite highly... I know that I can just about keep up with a GT3 in a straight line...