Brittany Chen Li

WOW xie-xie(thank-you, all for the help below)
Okay This girl needs to remove my intake. on my 1986. Can any one send me information on this I found a bad vac hose under it. and can't reach it.It's the old 3 piece type, not the 1987-on as I see on most websites. I have no books on this car yet.
Can anyone e-me with the pages that will help me with this thanks brittanychenli@yahoo.com
Peace,Brittany Li
Ian: Please see updated post below

I plan on getting the manuals and CD, Tools ect. and Diving right in.
Thanks To all for your GREAT Help. Ill hold off on removing my intack. till I need to.

Kaz

Seriously Brittany, this sounds like an awful lot of problems in a short amount of time.

K

Ian S4

I'm guessing "konichi wa" is not the appropriate greeting! My guess would be "Ni hao ma?"

Thom1

Hi Brittany,

I would recommend that you not remove the intake if possible. When I removed mine I had to replace all the rubber up there. This includes sleeves, elbows, hoses. The rubber has been cooked so much by now that it is stuck in an inflexible shape, and it will leak after it is disturbed. You may be able to get to vacuum elbows and hoses by removing the plastic air intake tubes and air filter housing. Medical hemostats can help to manipulate hoses and elbows in recessed areas. You will also need to replace intake gaskets after you remove intakes.

Look at the following timing belt document to find links, tools, parts, and manuals that will be helpful in various jobs:

Timing Belt and Water Pump Replacement Essentials:

Removal:
You have to remove or loosen everything from the front of the engine including:
Fan and Throttle Linkage Console/Carrier
Alternator
A/C Compressor - loosen
Smog Pump
Power Steering Pump
Front Main Timing Belt Cover
Distributors
Front Distributor Timing Belt Covers
Tensioner – Rebuild it
Tensioner Console
Rollers
Pulleys
Water Pump
Upper Fan Shroud/Cowling
Fan Belts
Hoses

You can easily break off water pump bolts by over-torquing or removing stuck ones. It would be nice to have the engine cleaned first – without losing any original factory stickers. However, I would not drive the car for that after receiving a belt tension warning. I heartily recommend that you or your mechanic replace everything on this list while you are in there. Rollers have bearings that will become fowled by anti-freeze or mileage.

Special Tools:
Buy the aftermarket belt tension tool for around $50, and the flywheel holding tool for around $20.
Socket for front main pulley
Metric Allen Wrenches with 3/8” drive fit
Breaker bar and cheater pipe for pulley socket (not really special tools)
Metric deep sockets (not really special tools)
Universal, ratchet, and extensions for sockets (not really special tools)

Tool, Part, & Manual Suppliers:
928 Specialists at 828-766-9280, Devek, and 928 International 800-634-6117. Those “Big 3” can hook you up with about anything for the 928. Tweeks, Pelican, Automotion, etc. can also help with your needs. See the Rennlist site for contact information. The other tools are available from Sears, and most auto parts stores. See ebay for PET 5 parts CD, and deals on parts.

Online Support:
Join the free Rennlist 928 Web Board. The web interface is the most effective that I have used. The email groups give an additional audience, but less sophisticated interface. See: http://www.rennlist.org/
Also see the 928S4VR Forum at: http://www.voy.com/55895/

New Parts & Supplies:
Water Pump – Porsche rebuilt will do, not necessarily new
Water Pump Gasket
Timing Belt
All other Belts
Rollers (3)
Aluminum Safe Antifreeze (Warning: Dexcool can harm older cars)
Distilled water (to be used with antifreeze)
Thermostat
Thermostat sealing ring
Radiator Hoses (2)
Timing Belt Idler bushings (2)
Radiator Drain Plug
Engine Block Drain Plug Seal Washers – metal (2)
Tensioner needs:
O-ring
Gasket
Boot/rubber end cover – looks like a hollow half doughnut
Boot Clamp
Mobil 1 synthetic 75w90 weight gear oil
Optional Parts & Supplies:
Front Seals: Main, Oil Pump
Clutch (pulley driven) Fan Bearings
Silicon Fan Clutch Fluid – from Toyota - Thickest part number version is 08816-10001, and recommended by Wally Plumley.

Timing Belt Tension Check:
You will need the belt tension tool to check tension after approximately 1,500 miles and 10-15k mile intervals afterwards. Remove the passenger side timing belt cover (at the cam gear, remove distributor first), and check the tension. Timing belt and/or water pump failure is common after 60k miles on the 928. Take belt tension very seriously. That is the Achilles heel.

Useful Manuals:
The Parts and Technical Reference Catalog is a great source of diagrams, part numbers, etc. However, There is a PET CD available on ebay for about $15 that contains more diagrams and data. The version 5 seems to be current. It just excludes some of the technical bulletins. The factory manuals provide procedures that are very helpful. Factory manuals are available on microfiche for about $30. Prices are for year 2001. Owner’s manual is a must. The Clinton manual does not help much. Most of the above are available from the big 3.

Optional Work:
While you have the pulley driven fan off, you may want to replenish the silicon with Toyota supplied fan clutch fluid. You may also wish to replace the front main seal, and the oil pump seal while they are relatively exposed. Those seals are tough to change. May replace the Clutch Fan Bearings.

Detailed Procedure & Photo Links:
Greg Nichols’ page has troubleshooting procedures for the timing belt light and more at: http://www.nichols.nu/tips.htm
Tony’s page has pictures and procedures: http://members.rennlist.com/v1uhoh/index.htm
John Pirtle’s site goes into great detail, with awesome pictures: http://members.rennlist.com/pirtle/svc.html
Link to Adobe Acrobat Reader document that has numerous service procedures. Download or open it here: http://www.jageng.com/sharkbit_2.htm
Another site with written procedures: http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/

HTH,
Good luck,
Thom Ross
The Great Dark Blue
86.5 928 S3, 4 Speed Auto

Here is a general list of items needed to replace the Tbelt...
Item No. Price
Timing Belt* 1 $44.00
Flywheel Locking Tool 1 $16.00
Thermostat 1 $25.00
Thermostat O-ring 1 -
Tensioner Boot* 1 $6.00
Tensioner Boot Clamp* 1 $5.50
Tensioner Gasket* 1 $12.00
Tensioner Inner Seal* 2
Tensioner Large Roller* 1 $55.00
Tensioner Idler Bushing*1 $1.70
Water Pump* 1 $119.00
Water Pump Gasket* 1 $1.65
Belt Tension Tool 1 $59.00
Accessory Belts 3 -
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Jay
'87 S4 Auto
CYOUL8R

PatrickP

Great post, Thom!

Brittany Chen Li

Ian, asked, Ni hao ma....how are you? I say, Hen hao, xie xie...very well, thank you.
But my dear Porsche needs some TLC. It's not as bad as my Subaru XT6. I will not remove the intake yet. I will try to get the hose from under it.
Thanks again to all. Brittany Chen Li

Ian S4

Wo ye hao! Wo hen gaoxing ren shi nin!

Eric R

Brit ...

Listen, you live in Boca and have a 928. Your writing indicates you are a youngster (under 20). If this is the case, then your parents have some BUX. Take the car to Felix at Gulf Performance(954-783-7345). They will keep it running right without the scraped knuckles ... unless you are into the 'garage mechanic' thing.

E

Brittany Chen Li

Wo ye xing fu. Bi han ya jian, xin ku. Dua da nin de zhi?
Wow my grand mother would be proud that I even tryed Chinese. I did it and had fun. We have not spoken it in many many years.I wish I could re-learn I have forgotten so much.
peng gan xie .
An ju le ye,
Live work in peace an contentment.
Brittany Chen Li

Thom1

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for the Kudos. Hope your car projects are going well.

Brittany Chen Li

Eric, Yes I am young 20-29,lucky guess. My english is not that great. I hope it does not offend you. I have family in Boca my Aunt. It's my home port you can say. I travel alot with work and I'm rarely home. I need to get the Porsche tuned up. Yes I do like to do my own work, I can not find a man/friend who does this stuff. The money I make goes to pay school loans, so I must do it myself.
An ju le ye, Peace, Brittany Li

Ian S4

Wo bu dong! (Cantonese...?)

Brittany Chen Li

Ian: My parents had a Mixed Mariage mixed up Chinese. Bu ming? This would be easyer in english. Are You Chinese? or and where did you learn? You are better than me. I have not spoke or typed in many years. Please tell me about You
Gao su da ting ni. Brittany
PS.
I'm sorry if my Chinese is so poor I was adopted by a Messianic Jewish family.I drop my last name as it looks funny with work and places like this. Brittany Chen Li Cohen When I was young and have had very little contact with any Chinese. I feel more Jewish that anything. I still practise my Wing chun Gung-fu when I can. But I did enjoy are conversation.
Dui bu gi, Brittany

Mike Schmidt

If you're in that area, I'd recommend them too. It's one of the very few places I'd consider taking my car for serice.

onthedge928s4

I say go for it ,I have shop manuals and you now have plenty of friends .It`s been awhile since I`ve seen a women take one of these apart, or even attempt service.I really would like to add .as a technician .I don`t remove anything I don`t have to. i would check out the procedure first ,then if you have to do it make a list of anything you can change while your there.I say give it a good effort to change this hose first.
good luck keep us posted

robert 88 928s4