Brent 89 - GT

Is anybody club racing a 928 in a stock class? I am thinking of running F stock in an 86.5 928.

I have a couple rules related questions. Are coil-overs a legal upgrade? The rules state the same type of spring of similar diameter. Obviously the spring on a C/O unit is of smaller diameter. Just wondering if anybody runs the C/Os or if you had to replace the stock springs with stiffer units instead.

Next is on the interior. According to the rules you can only remove the drivers side carpeting and anything needed to fit the roll bar. I sure seem to recall a lot of stripped out cars at DE events. Wondering what peoples actual experiences are on this.

The 928s in each class seem to be given a power to wieght ratio advantage. I am guessing this is to allow for the disadvantage of hustling the extra poundage through the corners. Any experience on how competive the cars are?

SHRKBIT

Hi, Brent.

I'm not club racing, but have been reading up, pondering the option a couple years out. If you find a good online forum/discussion for PCA Club Racing, please post it here so I can lurk.

Your comment about spring diameter didn't ring a bell with me, and here's what I find in the rule book about spring mods--I'm curious where you picked up the bit about spring diameter.

<STRONG>
D. Spring type must remain as supplied by the factory.
E. Spring rates are free.
</STRONG>

I noticed that, too, and think that's probably the reason. Except for the old buggers in H, which tend to have a higher lb/hp ratio than most of the others.

Curt
'91 GT

Brent 89 - GT

Curt,

Are planning on running the GT or buying a sacrificial car? I too am looking at it for the 2003 season. I have not committed to a car yet. I like the 928 for the V8 and what I consider to be a better suspension design than the other guys.

Looks like you are correct on the springs, I am not sure where I got the idea that the spring diameter was an issue. It still sounds iffy though. Technically a coil over shock unit uses the same "type" of spring as the factory. The spring is in a different location that stock. I will pull the rules up again and check that.

A GT would be awesome. Kim Crumb is in my region and has run 6 seconds a lap faster than I have in my 944. I surely have a much better power to wieght than his car. He of course, is a great driver. I am just a little leary about buying a $25-30k car and using it for racing. The 86.5 appeals to me for low cost and big brakes. I figure with a little legal tuning I can get the power up a bit too. Then keeping to the faster tracks should keep the car right in there.

Well if either of us follows through, I would love to meet up at a race. From the looks of this thread 928 club racers are pretty rare.

SHRKBIT

Hi, Brent.

The 2004 season would be more to my thinking--gotta get enough driving under my belt.

I had been pondering getting an old bugger for track work, but passed up an opportunity to pick up a local '78 cheaply. The autocross bug is still strong, so I'll be upgrading the GT for autocross AND tracking it this year. I've put off the car purchase until fall, and will likely be considering the 86.5, S4 (or even a 944S2). Preferably cosmetically challenged interior (i.e., cheap), and a final drive ratio higher than 2.20.

I met Kim in November. Saw him drive an S4 A/T at PIR (Portland, OR). He's fast. He's got some valuable insights into the mental game of driving fast.

Curt
'91 GT

p.s. - BTW, according to the 2002 rule book, in stock form not one of the 944 variants has a better power/weight ratio than a GT. But the GT is 600+ pounds heavier.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

I ran a '80 928S in PCA Club Racing in the stock class last year, but found the S brakes weren't adequate (at least for the various driving styles I tried). I was required to run a 3349lbs, even though my car as a euro was only 3180lbs stock.

I have been preparing my car for GT2S this year, rather than upgrade the brakes and bump from G to F.

Email me directly, if I can answer any of your questions.

Stan

Brent 89 - GT

Funny how it is always the brakes that keep you from going faster. I can't keep stock sized brakes in my 944T on the track either. I have tried different race pads, cryo rotors, added brake cooling, new bias valve, I still overwork them. That was part of my thinking behind the 86.5. I can run slightly less weight than an S4 but have its larger brakes. If I needed bigger brakes and ended up in E I think I would get killed.

Curt, My referance to a 944 vs Kims GT was using my modified version. I am pushing 320hp @ 3100 lbs.

There was a '78 Euro at my last DE, what a sweet little racer that was. That car and Kims GT are big motivators for racing the 928. Besides the V8 snarl is sooo cool at track events dominated by 4's and 6's.

SHRKBIT

I figured as much, and we were talking about the stock classes, right?--that's why I wrote "in stock form." Your turbo has one thing the 928 doesn't have--a fuse in the form of a head gasket.

Curt
'91 GT

Brent 89 - GT

YEP,and I have had the mis-fortune of blowing that fuse last summer

Naturally I used it as an opportunity to make it faster yet