Mongo

I don't see them on their website for sale anymore...

Jim bailey - 928 International

I think he had may have had some issues with his supplier but best to just give Dave a ring and see what is up. Besides they are really nice people to talk with

Mongo

Both you guys are great to talk with and have helped me so much in my debacles with the 928 in the past. Thanks as always to 928 Intl and 928 SP

ibkevin

... I've always wondered why people just don't call the supplier before posting an item's question first...

Mrmerlin

Motorsport in Utah is making the X pipes, and i would bet that they have a few for sale

Jim bailey - 928 International

I think sometimes it is a public expression of frustration when parts have been unavailable for a long long time or when a vender just refuses to answer phone calls and e-mails as quickly as one might wish. Although there seems to be far less of that recently with the great group of providers like Dave , Carl , Roger , Nichol, Paul etc... Lots of new and interesting options to keep these 928s running and looking good. And as we have been for the last 19 years we keep on doing what we do best ! And we do not sell X-pipes , California is just not the place to do that !

Jim bailey - 928 International

I think Carl and Roger both stock the Motorsport product.

Ketchmi

We drop-ship for both Carl and Roger and yes they are in stock...any flavor.

perrys4

Jim, I thought they made them with the O2 sensor hole so why would Cali not be the place to sell them?

Mongo

Because the product would need to be CARB tested in order to be smog legal. This is where lots of money comes into play for certification and legality.

ShawnSmith

I think most X-pipes eliminate the stock cats, and thus would be a CARB no-no.

Motorsports makes one with cats built into the end, which would meet the spirit of CARB emissions law, but still since it's not OEN and it touches the emissions system, it'd need testing and certification to be legit.

Everything aft of the cats is fair game as far as I know on the laws, which would cover the muffler sections after the X-pipe, and any kind of RMB.

Jim bailey - 928 International

This is the long read on why not .."CONDITIONS FOR REPLACEMENT
To any person repairing or installing any exhaust system, the Clean Air Act, as amended 1990, requires that:
AFTERMARKET CATALYTIC CONVERTERS MAY ONLY BE INSTALLED IN THE FOLLOWING SITUATIONS:

1. If the vehicle is missing a converter; *

2. If a State or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter has been lead-poisoned, damaged, or otherwise rendered ineffective and needs replacement. Retain a copy of this statement from any government inspection or enforcement agency for your records;

3. If the vehicle is over five (5) years old, or has more than 50,000 miles, or eight (8) years old or 80,000 miles for 1995 and newer model vehicles, AND a legitimate need for replacement has been established and documented.* This situation normally would include only plugged converters or those damaged to the point where unrepairable exhaust leaks are present. See * DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS below.

Catalytic converters are emission control devices which are designed to last the life of the vehicle and do not normally require replacement. Furthermore, if the vehicle is properly used and maintained, original converters are covered by the emissions control warranty for 5 years/50,000 miles, or 8 years/80,000 miles for 1995 and newer models. Federal law prohibits any person from replacing these devices except under limited circumstances (ABOVE).

* DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS *
In order to establish and document that the circumstances permitting replacement of an original or missing converter with an aftermarket converter meeting the required performance criteria exist, the Installer must complete the INSTALLER’S WARRANTY SHEET. The installer and the vehicle owner must sign the statement establishing and documenting catalytic converter replacement justification.

- A copy of the completed warranty sheet must be attached to the invoice and retained by the installer for six (6) months
.
- Also, the replaced converter(s), if any, must be retained by the installer for at least fifteen (15) days from the date of installation.

- The installer must install each replacement catalytic converter according to EPA policy, as described in the INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS.

INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS FOR AFTERMARKET CATALYTIC CONVERTERS
EFFECTIVE BY FEDERAL POLICY, AUGUST 5, 1986
The following is the Federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations* for the proper installation of replacement catalytic converters:

1. Replacement catalytic converters may be installed only in situations as defined in the CONDITIONS FOR REPLACEMENT.

2. Replacement catalytic converters must be installed in the same location as the original converter.

3. Replacement catalytic converters must be the same type of converter as the original converter (i.e., oxidation, three-way, or three-way-plus oxidation);

4. Replacement catalytic converters must be the proper converter for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer;

5. Replacement catalytic converters must be connected properly to any existing air injection or temperature or oxygen sensing components on the vehicle.

6. Replacement catalytic converters must be installed with all the other required converters for the particular application if more than one converter was installed originally by the vehicle manufacturer; or in the case of new aftermarket converters, if more than one converter was specified by the converter manufacturer;

7. Installers must complete the INSTALLER’S WARRANTY SHEET, and sign it, as also the vehicle owner.
*VIOLATIONS of one or more of these installation requirements could result in the installer being liable for a penalty of up to $25,000 for each violation, under provisions set forth in the EPA tampering prohibition law specified in Section 203 of the Clean Air Act, 42 US Code, Section 7522, amended in 1990, and under the CARB rules and regulations pertaining to aftermarket catalytic converters." .....

Jim bailey - 928 International

On a related subject....from AP ..""Monster Garage" TV personality and Sandra Bullock hubby Jesse James said he agreed to pay $271,250 to settle violations of state air regulations stemming from the sale of his motorcycles after officials rebuffed his offers to fix the bikes.
"We offered to fix every single bike that was deemed 'non-compliant' by CARB (California Air Resources Board), but CARB was clearly only interested in receiving a settlement," he said in a statement Saturday.
James' Long Beach shop, West Coast Choppers, sold more than 50 new or custom-built motorcycles that did not meet California Air Resources Board emissions standards, Air Resources Board authorities announced Friday.
James, 37, blasted the state agency, contending they were more interested in money than in protecting the environment. ...." Points out what can happen if you show up on the radar in California.

Mongo

Jesse James...Ha! That guy is about as friendly as a rattlesnake that's been stepped on from what I remember when I met him at Pomona in '04.

Jim bailey - 928 International

related topic....By GWENDOLYN DRISCOLL
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

Up to 90 percent of the hot rods and other custom-built cars on California roads are illegally registered and might have cost the state an estimated $250 million in lost revenue over the past decade, the state Attorney General's Office said Tuesday.

Seventy-thousand custom-built cars are estimated to be improperly identified or undervalued in out-of-state registrations procured through shadowy title agencies - a felony, Special Crimes Unit Deputy Attorney General Robert Morgester said.

Hot-rod enthusiasts disputed the allegations and said of the hundreds of thousands of hot rods believed to be registered in California, including an estimated 30,000 in Orange County, far fewer carried illegal titles.

"In general, if you take the hot-rodding community as a whole ... it would be closer to 10 or 5 percent," said Roger Rohrdanz, a correspondent who covers the hot-rod community for Roddin' & Racin' Newspaper.

Brian Brennan, editorial director for Street Rodder Magazine, noted that many custom-car owners found DMV guidelines on how to register their custom cars confusing or contradictory and so frequently choose to go out-of-state to simplify the process. "You're walking on unknown ground because the state of Californiahas so many rules on how to register a car," Brennan said.

The Attorney General's Office has spent the past three years investigating illegal hot-rod registrations, culminating in an Oct. 6 search of the La Habra workshop of celebrity builder Boyd Coddington.

An investigation of Coddington is continuing, and no charges have been filed.

Coddington, who is the star of the Discovery Channel's "American Hot Rod" television program, said he was not involved in the procurement of illegal titles and speculated that the 22-member multi-agency task force that searched his workshop, some with flak jackets and guns, might have focused on him because of his high profile.

"I'm probably the most easy one to get to," he said.

Law enforcement officials described illegal out-of-state registrations through "title mills" as "systemic" among custom-car owners. Morgester said his office found hundreds of new cars falsely described as "vintage" in their titles, and their estimated value reduced from tens of thousands of dollars to as little as $500.

The questionable titles allow custom-car owners to escape higher registration fees when they transfer their car to California, as well as avoid emissions standards that apply to newer vehicles.

Law enforcement's growing interest in illegally titled hot rods was sparked by a nine-month investigation into one Alabama-based title firm, Titles Unlimited, which was found to have improperly registered more than 4,200 California vehicles, contributing to a loss of $7,728,000 in DMV registration fees.

The investigation culminated in the May 7 sentencing of its owner, Richard Weaver, to one year in jail, five years of probation and required him to pay back all profits made on the California vehicles.

The case produced a paper trail linking Titles Unlimited to hundreds of California hot-rod and custom-car owners, as well as some garages that acted as middlemen in the procurement of illegal titles, Morgester said.

Investigators found that many California owners of vintage-car replicas, hot rods and kit cars paid Titles Unlimited a $200 service fee to procure Alabama titles that incorrectly listed the value or model year of their cars.

Typically, the car owner provided a bill of sale transferring ownership of their vehicles to Titles Unlimited - although no money exchanged hands. In the bill of sale, owners described their late-model custom cars as pre-1974 vintage vehicles exempt from emissions standards and of significantly reduced value, the Attorney General's Office said.

Titles Unlimited then procured an Alabama title for the vehicle, thanks to "no-title" rules in states such as Alabama, Florida, New York and Maine that allow titles to be issued without a physical inspection of the vehicle and with only a bill of sale. California, in contrast, requires an existing title and, in some cases, a physical inspection in order to issue a new title.

Titles Unlimited then drafted another bill of sale transferring ownership back to the California owner. Using the fake bill of sale and the illegal out-of-state title, the custom-car owner would then seek a California title for their "vintage" vehicle.

"It's a major concern for us," said Lt. Greg Williams, of the CHP's Investigative Services Section.

The case spurred investigators to examine other hot-rod manufacturers and builders, including House of Cobras in Anaheim and Hillbank Motors in Costa Mesa, which were subsequently prosecuted in 2003 and 2004 for facilitating illegal titles for custom-car owners.

In the case of Boyd Coddington Motors, two vintage Ford vehicles registered in California to Boyd Coddington and advertised on his Web site attracted the attention of investigators in September when discrepancies were noted in their out-of-state registrations.

In an eight-page application for a search warrant, Yolo County District Attorney investigator Bruce D. Naliboff alleged that Boyd Coddington Hot Rods "assisted in providing fraudulent and untruthful registration documents to the California Department of Motor Vehicles in order to procure ownership titles for vehicles without legitimate documentation."

Specifically, Naliboff alleged that Coddington "issued ownership certificates identifying at least two replica vehicles as original manufactured vehicles" in titles issued in New York and Pennsylvania.

One vehicle, for sale for $102,500 in Boddington's consignment showroom, listed a $15,000 purchase price on its out-of-state registration, Naliboff said.

"It's absolutely ridiculous," Brennan said of the allegations. "It is a 1932 Ford. In reality, when you get to the bottom of the paperwork, there is no problem whatsoever."

Ken Miyao, Chief Deputy Director of the DMV, said the registration process was "muddy" but that his agency was looking at legislation that would beef up the tracking and verification process of custom cars.

The DMV does not measure the number and variety of custom cars on the roads in California.

Without adequate tracking of "new" and "vintage" cars, officials expressed concern that illegal titles might enable car owners to pass off their replica cars as valuable originals to unsuspecting buyers.

"They're duping someone into thinking that they're getting something that they're not," Williams said.

"Each time that vehicle is sold, we're creating another victim."

Mike Tenerelli, the lawyer for Hillbank Motors, said most custom-car owners are under the impression that out-of-state titles are "the way it's done" in California.

"They never had the real intent to defraud," Tenerelli said. "If you go to any car show, any car rally, and ask people how it's done, they'd say this is how. It became commonplace."...............

In the end he plea bargained out of some of the issues but being none compliant with the smog laws is still a big problem...