Repair or part? New LH, MAF, fuel pumps, wheels&tires, etc, now TBF!!!
03-20-2007, 06:23 PM
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Thanks for your support guys.
Pics of the car I've posted on yahoo pics;
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/inokiyoy/album
David, thanks for the offer. I've bought a lot from you guys and you're always great. But I think
Glenn's hit the nail - the more I think about it, the more I realise the answer to Glenn's question is going towards "no". I live in a condo so no private garage to work on the car (I'll have to phone a few friends that do), not a whole lot of time with a 8 month old daughter (giving her up for adoption isn't an option), and if I go through the repair shop quoting 13k~15k, I might as well buy another one. They quoted 7k CAD for the replacement motor, remaining amount to do timing belt, water pump - preventative maintenance plus installation. I'll phone a few more shops in Calgary to see what they say.
Can anyone recommend a shop in Calgary, AB?
Jetrainor, did you do the swap yourself? If not, how much did your shop charge you, if you don't mind my asking.
Ken
Pics of the car I've posted on yahoo pics;
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/inokiyoy/album
David, thanks for the offer. I've bought a lot from you guys and you're always great. But I think
Glenn's hit the nail - the more I think about it, the more I realise the answer to Glenn's question is going towards "no". I live in a condo so no private garage to work on the car (I'll have to phone a few friends that do), not a whole lot of time with a 8 month old daughter (giving her up for adoption isn't an option), and if I go through the repair shop quoting 13k~15k, I might as well buy another one. They quoted 7k CAD for the replacement motor, remaining amount to do timing belt, water pump - preventative maintenance plus installation. I'll phone a few more shops in Calgary to see what they say.
Can anyone recommend a shop in Calgary, AB?
Jetrainor, did you do the swap yourself? If not, how much did your shop charge you, if you don't mind my asking.
Ken
03-20-2007, 06:36 PM
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wow that sure would be a shame to part that, Nice interior. A 928 is a love for the car project. This sucks. why dont you talk to DR and see what he wants for that motor with all the PM stuff done. Then ask a shop to put it in. I bet if you approach it a little different the price may come way down. 7K to put that motor in is crazy, that's "lets try to screw the Porsche guy" money.
03-21-2007, 01:20 AM
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If this had happened to me (and it could happen to anyone) I'd want to get a really good replacement engine if i knew the rest of the car was top notch. Otherwise I might keep it for parts and buy a similar car and trade over parts from the "blown" car.
In fact, it would be nice if someone could sell "rebuilt" engines. That said, this has been discussed before and apparently there isn't a great deal of interest by shops to sell rebuilt engines due to the variables involved... and perhaps the upfront costs and having a lot of money tied up on the shelf waiting for the occasional buyer.
BTW, who has a good reputation for rebuilding one's engine at a price that makes it worth keeping the car? (in the case mentioned above, a used engine from somewhere else that you'd buy). One can easily get more money into an engine than the car's original cost. I wouldn't mind, however, having a known good spare engine sitting in the corner of my garage. With a leak-down test, I guess it should be possible to get a solid engine worth putting money into?
I wish you luck, Inokiyo. Bummer to have that happen.
Harvey
In fact, it would be nice if someone could sell "rebuilt" engines. That said, this has been discussed before and apparently there isn't a great deal of interest by shops to sell rebuilt engines due to the variables involved... and perhaps the upfront costs and having a lot of money tied up on the shelf waiting for the occasional buyer.
BTW, who has a good reputation for rebuilding one's engine at a price that makes it worth keeping the car? (in the case mentioned above, a used engine from somewhere else that you'd buy). One can easily get more money into an engine than the car's original cost. I wouldn't mind, however, having a known good spare engine sitting in the corner of my garage. With a leak-down test, I guess it should be possible to get a solid engine worth putting money into?
I wish you luck, Inokiyo. Bummer to have that happen.
Harvey
03-21-2007, 02:09 AM
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Really really sorry to hear about your engine failure.
If you want to look on the plus side:
All the work you did prior to this was standard maintenance
The heads from your car will be very valuable to someone with cam belt failure - and there is probably someone on the board right now who's belt is about to let go
If you want to look on the plus side:
All the work you did prior to this was standard maintenance
The heads from your car will be very valuable to someone with cam belt failure - and there is probably someone on the board right now who's belt is about to let go
03-21-2007, 11:14 AM
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Now there's a great offer, a more generous one you'd not easily find. 
Dave
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Originally Posted by DR
Hi Ken,
Sorry to hear about your problems. If you do find it is Thrust Bearing Failure and decide to do an engine replacement I have a couple of spare S4 engines in great condition and will make you a great deal on one to help you get your S4 back on the road.
IF you have a friend or 2 that can help, rent an engine hoist and get a copy of the shop manuals I am sure you could do the swap yourself.. especially given all the support you can get in the 928 community.
Sorry to hear about your problems. If you do find it is Thrust Bearing Failure and decide to do an engine replacement I have a couple of spare S4 engines in great condition and will make you a great deal on one to help you get your S4 back on the road.
IF you have a friend or 2 that can help, rent an engine hoist and get a copy of the shop manuals I am sure you could do the swap yourself.. especially given all the support you can get in the 928 community.
03-21-2007, 11:37 AM
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As you may know by now from DRs price on the engine, your shop is busy or just not interested in the job. You should be able to find someone (capable?) of bringing this in a lot cheaper. Even if you use them, if you help them with procuring all the parts, they might work with you (by being more reasonable, we get squeezed sometimes just b/c it is a p-car) if they understand you are not a deep pocket. They probably don't know the resources available here.
03-21-2007, 11:55 AM
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Ken
Sorry to hear about the trouble.....on the plus side I have always wanted to assist in an engine swap
If we could get our ducks in order I have a 2 car garage in Cochrane that could be used for the operation. My car is in storage and I could convince my wife to let the current inhabitants sit on the driveway...for a period of time to be determined. I'm sure we could convince WHALL to help as well now that he has transplanted into this neck of the woods. Anyway there is the offer.
As for your question about shops I have only had my car to the shop twice the rest has been completed in my garage. The first shop I will never go back to - PM me and I will share the name and my experience.
The second shop is Riegel Tuning.
http://www.riegeltuning.com/
The shop does not look like much from the outside but they typically have high end cars on the hoist and when I brought them my car to swap the steering rack ( I had no time and it needed to be done), there was an S4 on the hoist with a engine rebuild and supercharger installed so they have and do work on these cars, which is more than most shops can say.
Most often overhead comment about them is they are not cheap and they do good work. I found them reasonable to deal with.
Since I believe they did the re-build on the S4 they can probably quote you some firm numbers but I have to agree with the majority on the board that if you can get a reasonable S4 engine and swap it you are probably further ahead.
Let me know what you come up with and good luck!
Sorry to hear about the trouble.....on the plus side I have always wanted to assist in an engine swap
If we could get our ducks in order I have a 2 car garage in Cochrane that could be used for the operation. My car is in storage and I could convince my wife to let the current inhabitants sit on the driveway...for a period of time to be determined. I'm sure we could convince WHALL to help as well now that he has transplanted into this neck of the woods. Anyway there is the offer.As for your question about shops I have only had my car to the shop twice the rest has been completed in my garage. The first shop I will never go back to - PM me and I will share the name and my experience.
The second shop is Riegel Tuning.
http://www.riegeltuning.com/
The shop does not look like much from the outside but they typically have high end cars on the hoist and when I brought them my car to swap the steering rack ( I had no time and it needed to be done), there was an S4 on the hoist with a engine rebuild and supercharger installed so they have and do work on these cars, which is more than most shops can say.
Most often overhead comment about them is they are not cheap and they do good work. I found them reasonable to deal with.
Since I believe they did the re-build on the S4 they can probably quote you some firm numbers but I have to agree with the majority on the board that if you can get a reasonable S4 engine and swap it you are probably further ahead.
Let me know what you come up with and good luck!
03-21-2007, 12:59 PM
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"...they are not cheap and they do good work...."
Concerning the comment: "...they are not cheap and they do good work...."
Interestingly, the shops that get a reputation for doing bad work often do not survive unless there is an endless number of unsuspecting new (one-time) customers keeping them alive. That does happen, BTW.
On the other hand, shops that do good work...and are cheap...often are swamped...frequently have inadequate accounting...and sometimes die from their own success (some of these are such good guys they spend too much non-paying time with customers, do freebies, get taken advantage of by deadbeats, etc. and this makes it difficult for them to stay in business). My brother was that way with his Harley/Triumph shop. Great mechanic...would give you the shirt off his back...but failed as a businessman (and hired a "cheap" accountant). It's a supply and demand thing too.
Some shops do solid work...stand behind their work...take a little longer...and charge prices that will not buy them a new boat or support their racing habit but will feed the kids. These are hard to find but exist here and there. There's one near Coeur d'Alene..but he's not really a 928 specialist...makes his living on 911s.
No matter how you cut it, fixes of any kind are not cheap and you have to have a contingency fund for a few "gotchas" along the way. Maybe 25% or?
Best, as has been offered, is to have enthusiast friends assist who are willing to do the work for self-satisfaction rather than the money. But for these, you need to be accommodating. My wife would not mind parking her Camry on the street for a few weeks...but not for a few months.
Harvey
Interestingly, the shops that get a reputation for doing bad work often do not survive unless there is an endless number of unsuspecting new (one-time) customers keeping them alive. That does happen, BTW.
On the other hand, shops that do good work...and are cheap...often are swamped...frequently have inadequate accounting...and sometimes die from their own success (some of these are such good guys they spend too much non-paying time with customers, do freebies, get taken advantage of by deadbeats, etc. and this makes it difficult for them to stay in business). My brother was that way with his Harley/Triumph shop. Great mechanic...would give you the shirt off his back...but failed as a businessman (and hired a "cheap" accountant). It's a supply and demand thing too.
Some shops do solid work...stand behind their work...take a little longer...and charge prices that will not buy them a new boat or support their racing habit but will feed the kids. These are hard to find but exist here and there. There's one near Coeur d'Alene..but he's not really a 928 specialist...makes his living on 911s.
No matter how you cut it, fixes of any kind are not cheap and you have to have a contingency fund for a few "gotchas" along the way. Maybe 25% or?
Best, as has been offered, is to have enthusiast friends assist who are willing to do the work for self-satisfaction rather than the money. But for these, you need to be accommodating. My wife would not mind parking her Camry on the street for a few weeks...but not for a few months.
Harvey
03-21-2007, 02:44 PM
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Hi guys,
Thanks for your messages and sorry for the delay in getting back.
Rich, thanks for your generous offer, also the info on Reigel Tuning. They are actually the ones that did the valley job on my car. I also saw the supercharged S4 on the hoist. I'll see what they say about an engine swap. The original quote was from another shop in Calgary.
I will pm you to get your opinions on other shops.
Will keep you guys posted!
Thanks again!!
Ken
Thanks for your messages and sorry for the delay in getting back.
Rich, thanks for your generous offer, also the info on Reigel Tuning. They are actually the ones that did the valley job on my car. I also saw the supercharged S4 on the hoist. I'll see what they say about an engine swap. The original quote was from another shop in Calgary.
I will pm you to get your opinions on other shops.
Will keep you guys posted!
Thanks again!!
Ken
03-21-2007, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by figgen
Ken
Sorry to hear about the trouble.....on the plus side I have always wanted to assist in an engine swap If we could get our ducks in order I have a 2 car garage in Cochrane that could be used for the operation. My car is in storage and I could convince my wife to let the current inhabitants sit on the driveway...for a period of time to be determined. I'm sure we could convince WHALL to help as well now that he has transplanted into this neck of the woods. Anyway there is the offer.
As for your question about shops I have only had my car to the shop twice the rest has been completed in my garage. The first shop I will never go back to - PM me and I will share the name and my experience.
The second shop is Riegel Tuning.
http://www.riegeltuning.com/
The shop does not look like much from the outside but they typically have high end cars on the hoist and when I brought them my car to swap the steering rack ( I had no time and it needed to be done), there was an S4 on the hoist with a engine rebuild and supercharger installed so they have and do work on these cars, which is more than most shops can say.
Most often overhead comment about them is they are not cheap and they do good work. I found them reasonable to deal with.
Since I believe they did the re-build on the S4 they can probably quote you some firm numbers but I have to agree with the majority on the board that if you can get a reasonable S4 engine and swap it you are probably further ahead.
Let me know what you come up with and good luck!
Sorry to hear about the trouble.....on the plus side I have always wanted to assist in an engine swap
If we could get our ducks in order I have a 2 car garage in Cochrane that could be used for the operation. My car is in storage and I could convince my wife to let the current inhabitants sit on the driveway...for a period of time to be determined. I'm sure we could convince WHALL to help as well now that he has transplanted into this neck of the woods. Anyway there is the offer.As for your question about shops I have only had my car to the shop twice the rest has been completed in my garage. The first shop I will never go back to - PM me and I will share the name and my experience.
The second shop is Riegel Tuning.
http://www.riegeltuning.com/
The shop does not look like much from the outside but they typically have high end cars on the hoist and when I brought them my car to swap the steering rack ( I had no time and it needed to be done), there was an S4 on the hoist with a engine rebuild and supercharger installed so they have and do work on these cars, which is more than most shops can say.
Most often overhead comment about them is they are not cheap and they do good work. I found them reasonable to deal with.
Since I believe they did the re-build on the S4 they can probably quote you some firm numbers but I have to agree with the majority on the board that if you can get a reasonable S4 engine and swap it you are probably further ahead.
Let me know what you come up with and good luck!
This would be the perfect offer. Aat the end, both of you will learn a ton. Don't get too intimidated, it's just and egnine.
03-21-2007, 11:16 PM
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Hi guys,
Had a good talk with the wife, I've decided on parting with the car. Thanks all for your support and generous offers, but I just can't spend the time to do it myself at this point in my life.
I don't even know what to ask for the car, but will post a for sale message shortly.
I feel like I let you guys down...
Ken
Had a good talk with the wife, I've decided on parting with the car. Thanks all for your support and generous offers, but I just can't spend the time to do it myself at this point in my life.
I don't even know what to ask for the car, but will post a for sale message shortly.
I feel like I let you guys down...
Ken
