Bill Ball

Todd: That's the problem. My experience is that these are just the first sections to go, but the others are right behind. All I see in the photos is the roof and spoiler. The hood, trailing areas of the hatch and the upper edges of the bumper covers usually go bad right along with them. This is a fault of later clearcoats. I've seen a bunch of silver cars like this one. It's rather pointless to only make spot repairs of peeling clear. It all will come loose eventually.

You are relying on what the owner has told you and you are putting your name on the ad. I have faith that most people are honest too, but I wouldn't do this. For such an apparently astute business man, sometimes you come off a little naive. I recall a recent experience you had with another long distance transaction that went horribly wrong based on trusting what people told you a bit too much and not requiring more out of them before you committed yourself. This car looks like one you should have wished the guy good luck selling and maybe just given him some tips on how to do a good ad.

Ed Scherer

You know, this whole thread reads like some kind of weird dysfunctional 'net community codependency thing. I had to read the whole thing just for its entertainment value.

I can just see this showing up in some psych textbook someday for a course like "NetPsych 537: Net Self Abusers and Their Enablers -- Why They're Compelled to Keep Coming Back".

Bill Ball

What? I see no death threats.

Seriously, I don't think there has been a car for sale posted on here that hasn't been dismantled by this group, whether Todd's or someone else's.

low miler

Yes, and Seans doing great. He got out of the 928 market entirely. And now I'll save someone making the comment, "great!", right?

And I never said the reserve was less than what the seller wanted, either............

Todd

moon928

Above is what I meant- Todd

It wasnt until you started to defend yourself did you say the reserve was far less and the car needed work- Why couldnt you have just stated that in the first place?

jcb928

Man, some of you guys are tough

I have no problems with Todd's postings but if you don't like his cars don't buy them, Don't like his posts? Don't read them.

My guess is the owner would have taken $23k cash before for the car so now add Todd's fee and the reserve will around $25k-$26k. Not a bad deal for a rough GTS.

"Yes, and Seans doing great. He got out of the 928 market entirely."

Are you sure? I still see his White low miler in the Autotrader.

danglerb

This sums it up for me out of Todds ebay description.

"This beautiful example is finished in the most desireable Zermatt silver"

Nice spin for known defective paint.

low miler

Bill,

Thanks for some of the first credible advice given so far without accusation. Indeed I have been screwed before and it's entirely possible it could always happen again. I certainly hope this isn't one of those times, so if anyone in the Pheonix area would like to check it out for me in person, I would be forever greatful.

I'm sure everyone's just jumping at the chance to do that for me, but if it is worse than advertised, then look at it this way, one you win and could share the results with everyone on Rennlist, and two, I could pull the ad down immediately and save some innocent buyer the time and hassle. Regardless, if the car is not as advertised, I would certainly refund their money without question.

I did just receive a call on the car from the Ebay ad and the prospective buyer made the statement that he would have the entire car repainted. However, he does have a connection in the paint and body business and didn't flinch at the price reflected. He said he would also insist on a PPI which would result in a definitive answer as to whether or not I would make any additions to the ad and/or pull it down entirely.

Thanks Bill.

Todd

Kevin Michael

You guys are too hard on Todd. I have read most of the altercations here over the years. I think he is a stand-up guy and I never met him. I am partners in a high-line body shop and can tell you this situation with the paint is NOT as big a deal as you guys think. That paint did not have to bake to get that way. I have sold alot of cars and understand Todd's way of doing business. If you didn't know him here and answered a local add for one of his cars, I am positive it would be a good experience. He comes off indignant because like me, he has his ears on the the advice of the wise and 0 tolerance for the unwise or uninitiated with these matters. I personally after studying the pics feel I could put that gts in 95% 99% condition for 2 grand including my labor for one weekend. But thats just me.....
Kevin

low miler

You are right on with regards to everything you just said about that car, it's price, it's reserve and my fees.

But Sean did finally sell that low mileage S4. I think after that rather lengthy selling time, it simply wore him out so bad he just washed his hands of the whole 928 biz. He's now into the classics and muscle cars. Pretty smart nowdays.

But yes, now you know the skinny on the GTS and can confirm that it's now a pretty good deal afterall.

Todd

RyanPerrella

23K is a good price for the car.

I wish i could make $4,000 just typing the ad and posting the pics someone else took.

low miler

Well, that's one way of looking at a glass half empty. Or on the other hand, we can look at the facts and see it half full. Zermatt silver is the second most popular color (in my experience, second only to black), and the defects in that particular Zermatt silver GTS were mentioned in entirety in the ad.

danglerb, your just plain fishing for trouble, friends and attention now. Those comments were weak and definately unwarranted. Regardless of what the ad said, your simply picking it apart to find anything you can that's negative.

Go back to your room!

Todd

low miler

And no, I didn't pay him to say that either.

But thank you, thank you, thank you for summing me up PERFECTLY! Hardly any of you know me, but if you did, you would realize that I take an OCD approach to making the cars I sell absolutely flawless.

Why do you think the '89 GT I purchased nearly 6 months ago is still not up for sale? Because I'm taking the time to make it perfect, that's why. I don't cut corners and I have great connections for getting the work done properly at a reduced price. Look at my last '87 S4 I sold on Ebay and the feedback comments made by the purchaser. Those are the facts. Anything else from someone who's never purchased a 928 from me is merely conjecture and for the most part negative.

I may have a built in arrogance to me that I can't change, but that doesn't make me a "typical" used car salesman, it just comes from knowing these cars very well and knowing a good deal when I see it, making it perfect and then selling it for a profit.

Thank you Kevin for actually being able to see that quality in me thru all of this crap.

Regards, Todd

RyanPerrella

Todd,

You and i have exchanged e-mails many times in the past. Please dont get defensive about this, but a i mentioned in post #3, Zermatt Silver is crap. I honestly wouldnt ever buy one, nor would i suggest any 928 buyer to either because of this paint issue. I dont think the clearcoat is gone cause some here say its been neglected, I think it just looks like crap cause the paint was crap. Ive seen at least 4 of these cars, and they ALL had similiar paint issues. There is another silver, I dont know if its polar, or arctic or what, but I would never suggest anyone buy a Zermatt colored car. Its the only color that i know of with this waterbased paint and they all seem to look like this one does some 14 years later. Its really just a defective paint. To say this color is desireable is a stretch I think.

I dont think there is anything special about the paint either, its just silver, its not like some rare silver with obvious hues of blue or something in it. If it were some super rare paint to sample silver that looked like it was chrome or something, then i could see the desireability with it, but its just a typical silver, but this one is known to have problems. I think a complete respray is necessary and if the front hood, fenders, doors dont look bad now, they will. Just repaint the whole thing, you can make it Zermatt silver but do it in a modern paint system and your all good.

It still has never been explained to me why Porsche went with a waterbased paint though. Its like in some Merc models you can get all synthetic materials in the interior, for those tree huggers out there. Maybe this was a tree hugger special thus it didnt use the typical chemicals of most every other automotive paint system. Who knows.

low miler

Actually you could. Sean makes a living out of doing it that way. That long term selling S4 he had was the first one he actually ever owned himself. Go figure?

Todd