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while we were sleeping, missed this '93 GTS, 27K, $23,500!

 
Old 12-13-2006, 08:49 PM
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It irks me, but for no good reason that I can think of, and that irks me too.
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Old 12-13-2006, 08:54 PM
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No Chuck honestly, I don’t care about the flipping for profit and no, I also don’t believe Rennlist membership comes with a mandatory “shark discount”.

Shaynes can flip away till his hearts content. Just spare us the in your face babble and bull**** too many cars/divorce story when Willhoit was his initial target all along…And then the follow-up free advertising for Willhoit.

But again, if he had offered the car here first on Rennlist, he could have pocketed much more I’m sure while a Rennlister might have paid a buck or two less. So really who here gets the last laugh

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I’m sorry to have ruffled feathers and or assumed anything incorrect. I promise to enter a 12-step program

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Old 12-13-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International
And WHY would anyone believe ANYTHING that the salesmen say ?
WELL Jim, SOMETIMES Salesman actually do their homework, get the proper training in the products they sell, and make sure to (when the prospect actually is prepared to listen) educate and facilitate a good buying experience for the customer (And future referrer).

But I have no idea of the context, and just saw your comment, so...
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:30 AM
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I agree with that sentiment. I have no problem with someone finding a deal and capitalizing on it. What bothers me is when someone (who rarely posts to this board) posts just to rub his acquisition and his choice of partner in. What's the purpose other than to get a rise out of the rest of us?

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Old 12-14-2006, 09:31 AM
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Hey; if someone has got the money in hand, wants to take the risk of a quick purchase, and is on his toes, then I have no problem with a reseller.
Most of us here are slow to move, and quick to pick apart any new 928 for sale. As we should be, we are usually buying for keeps and end up stuck with our new money pit for a while.
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:56 AM
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Old 12-14-2006, 11:21 AM
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This one was/is a gold mine at that price not a money pit.


I would put this find in the same group as the 8k mile gts on the south shore from a year and a half ago and the 312 mile green gt, and chuck's friends pearl white. Mileage and optimum color combo made this a no lose.
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Old 12-14-2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by EspritS4s
I agree with that sentiment. I have no problem with someone finding a deal and capitalizing on it. What bothers me is when someone (who rarely posts to this board) posts just to rub his acquisition and his choice of partner in. What's the purpose other than to get a rise out of the rest of us?

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This is the interesting point: never heard from this "enthusiast" before. His posts on this subject were artful at best. Yes, he is proud of the profit he's turned. Bravo for him. Jim's comment applies to real estate too which this Rennlister does primarily. The nature of the beast works against honor, not to say there aren't honorable people, it just does and as the volume is greater, the phrase let the "buyer beware" applies in spades to cars. At the same time, we have no right to expect a deal out of loyalty. I'll explain.

On the '85 I have for sale, I had one not too low-ball nibble and although I said I need the space, I suddenly turned all warm and fuzzy and truly my rationale was I want this to go to someone who values it. I have no way of screening for this over the phone and at this point in time I decided price would winnow out the people who might buy it but not be willing nor able to commit to it. That is a luxury I can afford for now. If I had to sell, of course it would be different. There are as many reasons for buying and selling as there are buyers and sellers.
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Old 12-14-2006, 03:53 PM
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Honestly, I thought I was done with this thread but…
I agree with that sentiment. I have no problem with someone finding a deal and capitalizing on it. What bothers me is when someone (who rarely posts to this board) posts just to rub his acquisition and his choice of partner in. What's the purpose other than to get a rise out of the rest of us?
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This is the interesting point: never heard from this "enthusiast" before. His posts on this subject were artful at best. Yes, he is proud of the profit he's turned. Bravo for him. Jim's comment applies to real estate too which this Rennlister does primarily. The nature of the beast works against honor, not to say there aren't honorable people, it just does and as the volume is greater, the phrase let the "buyer beware" applies in spades to cars. At the same time, we have no right to expect a deal out of loyalty.
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Finally, a few have broken my “in-between the lines writing” regarding this thread…having a bit of integrity.

I personally believe someone, possibly like low miler who apparently seems like he’s catching on 'FINALLY PERHAPS' would be providing a great service to the shark community…(Disclaimer: Not that I’m the Holy Grail to deciding this). Scanning the globe and tracking the trading market for our beloved 928 while selling a few for profit along the way. As an avid 928 enthusiasts I enjoy knowing what’s going on with the market value, availability, and condition of sharks that are changing hands and who is getting what. And for a fair commission, someone flipping 928 would help increase my global search for the perfect shark (when I’m ready again) saving me possibly money, and a lot of time.

So again, flipping is not what irked me, it was the tone and attitude and cloaked n' dagger approach it was presented in apparently to us dumb shark owners. As so it seemed. Of course, when it comes to business and turning profits for many, integrity has no place in obtaining their ultimate goal.

Ok...now I think I'm done

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God!!! I hope so! ........................................................................ .........just kidding
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:15 PM
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Brendan we were talking about Used Car Salesmen who at best are retelling the story fed them by the used car manager about a car which none of them knew much about.... Now if the topic had been insurance salesman ....
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:18 PM
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Whats the difference between a used car salesman and a computer salesman? Used car salesman knows when he is lying.
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:39 PM
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I personally see absolutely nothing wrong with what Willhoit is doing. As far as the other person involved in this deal, I can't speak for.

Willhoit's prices are extremely high, but he also sells extremely low mileage, very rare examples of these cars. They are always in outstanding condition and usually come with less than 20,000 miles on them, as well as most of them being the very desireable 5 speed models.

If you want on of these 60 some odd '93-'95 5 speed cars with less than 20,000 miles on them, where do you go.........Willhoit, love him or hate him (I personally have great admiration for the guy), is always the go to Willhoit for these cars, period!

And here comes the always questionable, but ugly truth of the reality of the market on these cars. You should thank him for selling these cars for such extremely high prices. Yes, that's right, thank him!

And I'll tell you why. A particular type of car, in this case, the 928, will continue to drop in price until some of them start selling for big money. That is a reality. At least one 928 has to sell for crazy money to justify any future 928's ever having a chance to sell for big money as well. In other words, a precedent has to be set before a frenzy is created over a particular type of car.

Today, cheap ***, poorly built Hemi's are selling for nearly $1 million. It took that first one selling at what seemed like a rediculous price at the time, before others started selling for big money as well.

I always see people on this site wondering or complaining about why the 928 isn't worth anything in the used market? Well, if Willhoit keeps selling his for $70,000, then that, at some point, is eventually going to effect the retail price of your used 928.

So I say, thank you Mr. Willhoit for selling your 928's at outragous prices. You are setting a precedent, my friend! And someday, all of those that now feel stuck with their 928, will have you to thank when their '83 S sells for $50,000!

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Old 12-15-2006, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by low miler
Well, if Willhoit keeps selling his for $70,000, then that, at some point, is eventually going to effect the retail price of your used 928.
It doesn't seem to trickle down, and for good reason the last three years had a TINY production and very high original prices, thousands of the earlier years are still on the road with many "looking" great despite a wide variety of mechanical condition. Look at how many low mileage early cars that aren't selling at fairly modest prices.

928 buyers come in two flavors, those that demand the best car they can find and the actual price isn't that much of a factor, and those that want a 928 and the price matters a LOT. The two markets cross very little, and only to the extent that a low mileage fine condition 90 or 91, or a excellent condition 89 might have a bit of a premium.
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