tommytomaso

Porsche has designed everthing from musical insturments to boats, and it builds an SUV and 90% of so called Porsche fans crap on it Just like the 90% Porsche fans craped on the 928.....
928 : Porsches first water cooled car/front engine. Cayenne:Porsches first SUV
928:Known for thier teething problems. Cayenne:Repetitive small problems
928:Lack of company suport Cayenne: lack of company suport
928:Values dropped like lead Cayenne: Values dropping fast
928:ends up being the "Black sheep" of the company. Cayenne: Still making more cash for the company then any car befor has.

I just get a kick how close the two porsches lives are following the same path, I cant wait to be able to purchase a Cayenne turbo for 15k = )

tommytomaso

OOoo...my most compeling point!!!! How reliable do 928's seem to be if you gauge thier reliability from rennlist post?.. ok i know the youngest 928 is 11/12yrs old but still look at the posts and how many post here, now look at the numbers on the Cayenne board!!! and consider this Porsches has built 10 times the number of suvs in 3 yrs then all the 928's ever built!!!!
People dont hate the orange just becase it isnt an apple.
Hmmmmm now i want apple PIE!!!!!!

heinrich

tommy

the cayenne is a truck. if you like trucks, fine. i am a sportscar fan. if porsche switched to SUV's only, I would drive BMW's or other sportscars. Not SUV's ... if Porsche made hairbrushes guess what ... I wouldn't drive a hairbrush.

JG928S4

I have some Porsche Carrera Sun Glasses, Got them at a Garage Sale for $1. Good for 80's Parties.

tommytomaso

Hein......Ummmmm SUV means SPORTS utility truck!!...and if your picky our beloved 928 is not a ''SPORTS CAR"" its a GT...meaning grandtorismo, or Grand tourer AKA a fast caddy.
GT's are a mix of comfy car and a sports car...as for the pepper its a mix of a sports car and a truck.

Now if Porsche builds a Mini Van ill jump on your band wagon, but even so it will be the baddest mini van ever!!!

johnf95111

I talked with a gent who owned a Turbo Pepper. He was in process of moving from Southern CA to Whitefish MT. He had made the trip several times, once pulling a trailer with his wife's Yota Land Cruiser. He said the Cayenne never flinched even going through the Continental Divide (Rockies) with that load. He loved the power and the way it handled. He wasn't too enthusiastic about his wife's over-weight bowl of soup he hauled up there though.

Sports car companies like BMW and Mercedes make SUVs as well. And, when you first jump into the game, the low hanging fruit is what is gone after to keep the cash flow towards the plus side.

TEHO!

Cheers,
John Fagerlund
'89GT

heinrich

You're right
I am persuaded
I used to like sportscars but your post TOTALLY changed my mind
I see the light
I have a sudden urge to get rid of my sportscars and start buying SUV's

heinrich

really? interesting opinion

John Struthers

And, it isn't going away just yet.
Porsche AG hit, then exceded all of it's sales marks. Profit, yes?
Most of the bad rap the Cayenne recieved was from a bunch of Porsche owners puking B.S.
before the 1st Pepper was even assembled. Remember that crap started as off topic here before there was a Cayenne forum. Read it.
Quotes from these jerks were used over and over by the automotive drama queens - talking heads - pushing mostly one-sided drivel in whatever rag that would employ them.
So, it's not the car of your dreams ... I could care less.
Porsche is making bucks and they could care less.
Wanna be a REAL Porsche Purist? Go buy a 356.
In the meantime, if the price of a used, well maintained 3/4 year old Cayenne is depressed by
rumor, or, fact,
I'm a winner.
I'll need a roomier P car in a few years to haul my walker/wheelchair around.
And if I can get one for around the same price as my 928, then by God, I'll have one.
Besides Ma Porsche is still popping the never ending 911 series and Cayman's -real sportscars (sic) - out of the oven.
Different strokes...

cobalt

Damn,

I have to jump in and defend the Cayenne.

You guys can be as bad as the 928 bashers when it comes to the pepper.

I for one love mine and would barely consider it a truck. It drives better than most cars and has the power of a GTS. My Turbo Pepper can keep up with the GTS without breaking a sweet. It truly is a fabulous vehicle and it carries my second set of wheels to the track with 5 adults while towing my 944 or 928 without issues.

LTC is a smart guy but take everything he says with a grain of salt. The early 03's and 04's had some issues but most have been resolved.

Although this is one comment that I have to agree 100% with:

PCNA has acted as expected with their turn our backs to our customers' approach of customer service and this is hurting Porsche sales in general. High gas prices are doing the rest. Porsche is not the only manufacturer right now holding up production or release of 07 models to allow current inventory to be sold off. Although if I wanted a new Cayenne turbo S I can have one custom built for November delivery for a very good price.

BTW the Toureg owners I know have had far worse problems than the pepper owners I know and I have been lucky with no major issues to date. Although I do agree that with 23 computers and numerous electronic devices I am concerned what repair costs can be when these things start to break down.

My 04 Cayenne Turbo is a blast to drive and when I want to drive, a Porsche without dealing with the associated paranoia the Cayenne is the perfect assault vehicle. It is also great in the snow.

heinrich

Anthony turn off stabilitrac and see what the Cayenne can't do. I agree it is an excellent truck. Excellent, even the best ever made. I will own one someday when the prices drop. BUT what you guys seem to ignore (have I used up all the emoticons? just kidding) is that the Cayenne is a truck. Or SUV, or "utility vehicle" or whatever floats some people's boats. It simply is not a sportscar. It doesn't feel like one and it doesn't look like one, and turn off the electronic aids and it responds like the truck it is. I think it is a wonderful piece of engineering.

But it is not a sportscar, and I am a sportscar fan.

This is why I have a Bronco. It's as ugly and as useful as the Cayenne, and I can tow stuff with it and carry a whole 928 engine in it. I don't have delusions of grandeur that my Bronco is a replacement for my sportscars. When I walk awayfrom a 928 I think "MAN I can't believe I own that gorgeous thing" .... when I walk away from the Bronco I think "I'll have to put the back seat down to carry that lumber. Oh and I need to unlock the hubs after putting the boat away".

cobalt

I can't argue about looks. Compared to the 928 it is a bit pig like. Although for an SUV it is not bad and far better than the boxes I see driving down the road.

Regarding turning off the PSM I have and do often. Unfortunately it is never 100% off and the same thing can be said for any new Porsche because most people could not drive their Porsche's without PSM. I drive every car I own very hard and drive a Dakota Quad cab to and from work. Believe you me the Cayenne couldn't be further from the Dodge or Bronco. Where the Cayenne is lacking is the tiptronic. It actually performs better with the PSM off by dropping down a gear. I find if I manually shift the Cayenne with the PSM off it handles as well as most 911's and keeping the engine high in the rpms makes for a wonderful sound and great control and stability, just like a 911 or 928.. I have followed 911's and 928's on some very curvey roads and had no problem or feeling of unease associated with driving an SUV fast and it keeps up without problems. The suspension handles transitions without any skipping or bouncing the way trucks do. It can brake from 100-0 or 60-0 in the same distance or better than most cars and far better than most trucks.

In fact when all settings are correct and you manually shift the Cayenne it feels very much like a large sports car and not an SUV. The only thing that gives it away is sitting so high up, otherwise I think most every Porsche owner would be hard pressed to say otherwise if they were blindfolded and placed in the passenger seat.

I have no delusions about the Cayenne. I would take one over a Boxster in a second, IMO it is far more fun to drive and has all the same amenities and I can still haul things around in it. Although lumber I save for the Dodge.

We all have the right to our opinions but drive a Cayenne turbo for 15k miles and I think you will come around to respecting them almost as much as a 928.

johnf95111

Heinrich,

I guess I get a little lost in your reasoning. Why would you turn off stability controls? Some aircraft out there are un-flyable with out computer control.

You are 100% correct when saying the Cayenne is not a sports car; don't buy one. I sure the BMW M5 owner didn't even consider X3 or X5, or the Merc AMG SL55 owner didn't consider the ML500.

If Porsche is going to build an SUV, make it worthy of the badging. It seems a lot of people think it is.

You like your Bronco. I don't believe I would ever buy one; not my cup of tea. I like technology that works for us. I would also have to say the Pepper is probably a better ride than the Bronco even with the whizbang gadgets turned off.

To each his own,

Cheers,

John Fagerlund
'89GT

heinrich

Gentlemen I'm trying to get a point across. Anthony i DO respect the Cayenne. I also respect many other excellent vehicles like submarines and Mustang airplanes and my friend's pagojet parachute with an engine on his back.

But the point is.... an SUV, as excellent as it is ... is an SUV. I use SUV's for SUV kind of jobs. Sportscars are sportscars and they look and act like sportscars. While an SUV may be so excellently designed, or an r/t truck may drop the pants of a sportscar down a dragstrip .... those are not sportscars.

Again, some of us (I am one) SUV's are SUV's and they have SUV purposes. Sportscars are things you dream about and look back on when you park them and take photos out on a country drive.

Maybe you guys see everything I say as an attack on the Pepper. It isn't. I'm trying to show you WHY sportscar fanatics don't necessarily like SUV's ... even PORSCHE ones.

tommytomaso

I guess my point still stands, Hein you are back tracking just a bit, your first posts were 928 like bashing towards the pepper. And the pepper is very much a tall stading 4 door sports car!!! that can do the work of an SUV. since it can out perform 50% of all so called ''sports cars'' im just thinking your idea of what a spors car is should be redefined......as for the 928 being a fasty caddy,,, well i should take that back, but the point is still valid.