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Old 01-03-2006, 12:02 AM
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Talking Dynamic kickdown conversion and powdercoating project finished

Finally with the help of Roger (Rog100) this project is finished. Thank you again!! I just couldn't stand the old finish on my valve covers and manifold anymore. Took it all off and the powdercoating was done in Dallas, TX in "red textured finish". To match my Ebay intake tubes with red silicone.

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Now to the dynamic kickdown conversion. Nicole, this is for you

Parts that are needed for the conversion:
1. Dynamic kickdown relay from a '94 or younger car
2. Throttle position switch for the throttle body from the same model year(s)
3. A MAF connector, thank you John Speake for your efforts (this connects the new throttle position switch to the LH-ECU and kickdown relay).
4. A small plug to connect the extra pin of the new kickdown relay at the circuit board
5. About 5 feet of standard automotive wire.

First before anybody conciders this conversion: I would only recommend this if you are taking your manifold off (for whatever reason). The conversion costs slightly more than $200 and I think this is very competitive to whatever is available right now.

Here we go: 1st take the manifold off and and unbolt the throttle body housing. Remove the old throttle switch and replace with the new switch. Make sure that the new switch "clicks" when the throttle is closed, this is the microswitch for the ISV activation. Cut of the old connector and wire it according to the picture below. The white/blue cable activates the ISV, white/red is full throttle enrichment and brown is simply ground (or earth for Roger).




Sorry, it is a little bit hard to see but the top cable is w/b (idle). Next down is w/r (full throttle) and 3rd down is ground. Important!!! It is necessary to run an extra cable from ground to position #5 of the connector. This provides the variable position signal for the new kickdown relay. The cable in position #4 provides the signal for the relay and has to be routed to the main CB behind the passenger footwell.







Down at the CB the old kickdown relay needs to be removed now. The hardest part was to get the new wire through one of the rubber seals in the firewall. The 2 top screws of the CB need to be removed as well as both ECU's. This will allow rear access to the panel. The bottom left pin connector on any car older than '94 is not in use. This is the position where the extra cable will be connected.
FYI!!! The connectors inside these relay bases are different on older cars. The ignition relay uses the same connector base and I would recommend to talk to one of the "big three" for the right part.

Old style vs. new style, you will need the internal small connector (it is simply pushed in). The right connector is for the ignition circuit and if you look closely you see the difference.



Dynamic kickdown relay with additional pin.



That's it and you're done, your car has "dynamic kickdown". Here is the factory description when it's activated and how it works:

Dynamic kick-down:

To make the 928 GTS with automatic transmission a more agile vehicle, a dynamic kick-down has been introduced for model year 1994.
The dynamic kickdown is connected in parallel to the static kickdown. If the vehicle is travelling at more than 34 miles and the throttle valve is more than 24’ open, the dynamic kick-down can be activated by rapidly depressing the accelerator pedal a short distance angular velocity > 240*/s).

If the throttle valve is less than 24’ open and the other conditions are met, the dynamic kick-down is set to standby. If the driver accelerates and the throttle valve is opened to more than 24’ within 8 seconds, the dynamic kickdown is also actuated.
After the kick-down has been actuated, this shift program is held for about 8 sec. and then erased. The dynamic kickdown is also erased if:
-the accelerator pedal is released until the throttle valve opening is less than (24’)
-the throttle valve is closed about 50’ from its maximum opening
-the vehicle slows to less than 34 miles
-the shift point of 4590 rpm in 1st gear or 5950 rpm in 2nd or 3rd gear is reached.
It is not proposed to retrofit older vehicles for economic,reasons. Apart from the throttle valve potentiometer, the engine cable harness and the central electrical system would need to be modified.


Bottom line: There are NO changes if you don't want to! The cars behavior is not changed unless YOU want to and it's all available with a crisp step on the Bwwwwaaaaaahhhhh pedal. Even without pressing it completely down, nice .
The car is much more agile to drive and is very responsive, I like it very much! I also tried the automatic tranny cable tightened method and it is not comparable, because the shift points are always later.
This can also be done with the famous parallel kickdown switch from Radioshack, correct. BUT regardless where you place the switch you have to move your hands of the wheel. This modification gives you a "dynamic" car without sacrificing safety in my opinion and it is just like the factory designed it.

Before I forget: To my knowledge this conversion can be done on all 1987 (S4) models or younger.....

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Old 01-03-2006, 12:15 AM
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Wow - Awesome! It's one of those "wants" that I'm not sure I'll ever have.

Actually, I was hoping not to have a reason to pull the intake for a while - it's been done twice since I own the car, so everything underneath should still be in good condition. But when the time comes...

Thanks for the detailed write-up!
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You're very welcome

Pulling the intake now takes only 60 minutes (vacuumleak). The conversio with everything can be done in about 4 hours.
Old 01-03-2006, 12:35 AM
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I think that is cool ... I didn't know there was such a thing.
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Well done my friend.
It looks awesome.
Looking forward to feeling the dynamic kickdown.
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"This can also be done with the famous parallel kickdown switch from Radioshack, correct. BUT regardless where you place the switch you have to move your hands of the wheel."
I put my parallel kickdown switch under the top of the rubber pad on the footrest or dead pedal...just have to flex toes downwards, and down it goes...
jp 83 Euro S AT 50k
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Originally Posted by jpitman2
"This can also be done with the famous parallel kickdown switch from Radioshack, correct. BUT regardless where you place the switch you have to move your hands of the wheel."
I put my parallel kickdown switch under the top of the rubber pad on the footrest or dead pedal...just have to flex toes downwards, and down it goes...
jp 83 Euro S AT 50k
Good idea and I thought about this too. This is probably a good solution for older cars and very cost effective.
But my car also has to go back with me to Germany and the TUEV (state inspection) wouldn't like a conversion like this (most likely). Has to be original or with approval papers after testing. I also thought about the shifter from Jageng, $129 for the kit plus a new shifter and you still ahve to move the hands of the wheel. I like it and that is all that matters...
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Schocki,

Great Job! I like the "matte finish" red, looks KILLER !!
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Yes, it would look nice on Roger's GTS I agree.

FYI to all who read this post: This is NOT red wrinkle powder!!! I received numerous PM's about the powder. I went with red textured powder, it gives the manifold a nice satin finish combined with a slightly "rough" texture.
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Shock,

Very nice job! I'm sure the DFW boys with auto will have the mod very soon! I like the red texture on the intake, looks like it would hide the imperfections on those pieces as well.
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Excellent write-up!
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Borland asked me via PM what the Ohm resistance values are with the new throttle switch.
Here they are for all:
Idle: 0.5 Kilo Ohm
Full: 3.35 Kilo Ohm

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I’m currently installing this GTS Dynamic Kickdown Modification on my 90’ S4.

Here’s what I’ve done so far:

1. Remove the S4/GT/GTS intake manifold.
2. Installed and adjust the new replacement GTS Throttle-Valve-Switch.
3. Rewired engine wiring harness at the under the intake manifold location, to include the 6-position MAF type AMP connector. This also includes a new wire that’s routed directly to the later GTS Kickdown relay.
4. Route new wire along the engine wiring harness and through the firewall to the fuse/relay board (Central Electrics Panel or CE).
5. Reinstall the S4/GT/GTS intake manifold.

Here’s what I still need to do (waiting for parts):

1. Install a new relay socket pin terminal where currently unfilled.
2. Wire socket pin terminal to “V” connector at bottom of CE panel.
3. Install the new GTS Kickdown relay.
4. Connect the new wire from firewall to the V connector, pin 22 (V22).

Schocki did a great job describing this mod, but here’s some details that he left out:

A. Parts List for this mod:

From Porsche:
1 – P/N: 928.618.108.01, Relay Kickdown, $57.07
1 – P/N: 928.606.157.01, Throttle-Valve Switch, $101.38

From JDS (www.JDSporsche.com):
1 - 6-position AMP Connector w/ Rubber Boot, $37

From Eagle Day (www.eagleday.com):
9 ft. Thinwall (TXL) Automotive Wire, stranded, AWG-16-18, color: Yellow/Blue, $6

From any Automotive Store or HFT
6 ft. ŧ” I.D split loom, convoluted tubing, $2
10 (maybe more) – Nylon cable ties, $2

Other electrical items:
Still sourcing parts for the fuse/relay panel (will update this later), $?


B. Throttle-Valve-Switch (TVS) Installation/Adjustment

This must be done with the S4/GTS intake manifold removed from the engine bay.
The TVS is installed with two set screws. It’s a simple matter of removing these screws, removing the old TVS and installing the new TVS, and reinstalling the two screws. But before tightening the setscrews, adjust the idle switch by rotating the TVS in the mounting bracket.

Use the WSM wiring diagrams to compare the 94' GTS to earlier automatics. The plug pin numbers are indicated on both wiring diagrams. TVS Sensor pin number are only indicated for 94 GTS. Don't confuse plug and sensor pin numbers as they are assigned different numbers.

Here's a table. TVS pin numbers indicated:

94' GTS, S4/GTS -93'GTS, function
pin 4, pin 18, ground
pin 5, pin 3, loaded throttle
pin 6, pin 2, idle

Yes, pin 18 is correct and not a typo; just like what is shown in the photo of WSM Vol 2.

For my S4, I used a feeler gage and continuity meter to check the idle setting. Under the manifold at the throttle valve, there is an adjustable stop for the throttle. Placing the feeler gage between this stop, and measuring continuity between pins 18 and 2, I found:

- with a 0.006" feeler gage, meter reads continuity,
- with a 0.007" feeler gage, meter reads open circuit.

For the new GTS TVS adjustment, I'd suggest adjusting it until you get the same result, measuring continuity, per the above table, at pins 4 and 6.

C. TVS Harness Plug Wiring

Just a simple matter of cutting off the old connector and installing the new connector. Use the proper crimping tool (Radio Shack) to make a neat crimp. The wiring harness has plenty of wire to allow installation positioning of the intake manifold with the TVS connected, still, cut off the connector as close as possible.

Here’s a table of the wiring new/old:

94’ GTS, 90’ S4, function
pin 1 (WT/BL), pin 3 (WT/BL), idle
pin 2 (WT/RE), pin 1 (WT/RE), load throttle
pin 3 (BR), pin 2 (BR), ground
pin 4 (YE/BL), N/A, kickdown relay
pin 5 (BR), N/A, ground
pin 6 (not used), N/A, not used

Again, these pin numbers are for the harness connector, not the TVS pin numbers.

Seal the end of the rubber boot with silicone cement (RTV) to prevent moisture intrusion. Route the new kickdown relay wire along the engine harness using cable loom (split convoluted tubing) and nylon cable ties.

D. Kickdown Wire Routing through Firewall

The engine wiring harness makes a 90 degree turn at the firewall, so routing the kickdown wire through there is not possible. There’s really only one way to route the kickdown wire through the firewall, but its hard to see.

There’s another small wire harness penetrating the firewall, just two inches to the outboard side of where the engine wiring harness goes through the firewall. You can’t see it from the passenger compartment side because of all the insulation and wiring. And can’t see it from the engine bay due to the coolant reservoir blocking the view. There’s actually a small grommet installed and the harness is only about Ŋ” diameter.

So you need to feed the wire through this small grommet. Do this by using a stiff wire to open the way for the wire. I used six inch long piece of 14 gauge bailing wire. File the end blunt so as not to gouge the harness and use some dialectic grease to lubricate the end.

With the wire inserted through, slip a three inch long piece of 5/32” tubing over the bailing wire, and slip it through the grommet. Now you can remove the bailing wire and have a conduit for running the kickdown wire through.

After routing the wire through the firewall, you can remove the 5/32” conduit, but I”d use a ohm meter check the conduit for short to chassis ground, as a way of ensuring the grommet is still doing its job and will also protect the kickdown wire from shorting to ground at the firewall.

That’s it for now. I’ll update this thread when I have completed the wiring of the central electric panel.

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Here's the additional electrical parts to order:

From Porsche:
1 – P/N: 999.652.456.22, contact spring 0.75-1.5, $1.25
1 – P/N: 999.652.451.22, fitting piece 6.3/0.5-1.0, $1.50
1 – P/N: 999.652.106.02, flat receptacle 6.3x1.5 w/o clip, $1.50

And here's the rest of the procedure:

E. Central Electric (CE) Panel Rewiring

The GTS kickdown relay has one additional pin, so the last step is to install the unfilled terminal in the relay socket XVII (1990-1993 cars, while relay XV for 1989 cars), and from the backside, electrically connect it to the “V” connector, unfilled pin 22, and connect the kickdown wire to the “V” harness plug.

Disconnect the car battery at the ground strap.

Remove the old kickdown relay from the socket XVII. Remove the two top mounting screws securing the CE panel.

Remove both the EZK and LH controllers from mounting. This allows laying the CE panel face down.

Make up a wire jumper using two female terminals (p/n’s 999.652.106.02 & 999.652.456.22) about 9 inches in length for 1990+ cars.

The relay socket has a latch feature which both secures the socket to the electric panel and retains the terminals locked in the socket. You must unlatch the top bezel from the relay socket body before inserting the new terminal.

These links are for photos that show the unlatched and latched positions of the relay socket.

Unlatched position:


http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8...cket006tm5.jpg

Latched position:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7...cket007bw8.jpg

Do this un-latch by inserting a small jeweler’s flat blade screwdriver from behind the socket, on each side. Insert the jumper terminal until the metal clip snaps in place. Then re-latch the relay socket.

Connect the other end of the jumper to the “V” connector, unfilled pin 22. This is for 1990 thru 1993 cars. Note: 1989 year cars will be wired differently, so check the WSM wiring diagrams for other possible unfilled connector locations.

Reinstalled the panel and the new GTS kickdown relay.

You need to disconnect the harness plug to the “V” connector, removing it from the CE panel, before inserting the new kickdown wire (leading from the throttle-valve-switch and firewall). There is a latch mechanism for releasing all the connectors “A” through “W” at the same time. By pulling the plastic handle, the slider that marks the each connector location, slides allowing removal of all harness plugs.

With the harness “V” plug removed, crimp the kickdown wire with a new terminal (p/n 999.652.451.22). Remove the side color coded plate from the plug and ensure the crimp will interlock with the side plate. Install this new terminal in the harness plug until you hear the metal clip snap in place. Reinstall the side color coded plate. Reinstall the V plug and re-latch all plugs.

Reinstall the EZK and LH controllers. Reconnect the battery.

Test drive.

- End of procedure


Important Footnote for cars older than 1989: Contrary to what Schocki said in his original post about applicability of this mod to early S4's.... prior to 1989, S4's used a different kickdown relay which didn't require a speed signal (89+ take this speed signal from the digital instrument cluster).

There's also the consideration of the final-drive-ratio which this mod was designed for. The 94’ GTS was equipped with the A28.18 transaxle and 2.54 final drive ratio. This same final-drive-ratio is used on 87/88 ROW and 89-93 Worldwide. However, 87/88 USA/Jap were equipped with A28.12 and 2.20 final-drive-radio.

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Very nice description!

Good job


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