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Old 12-10-2005, 03:11 PM   #46
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I had totally forgot about the bleed off, that indeed should allow the air to escape.

If you DO have a more recent revision system with the IC outlet on TOP, make sure you use it as an outlet. I actually finished off a car that Andy had started because he was too busy. We had a miscommunication about which hoses were the input to the washer resevoir and which hose was the pump output. I plugged the pump output to the IC OUTLET (on top) because it made a cleaner hose run. I couldn't get the car to stop pinging, and was totally confused. I drove it to see Andy later that month and he told me my hoses were on backwards ( ). After correcting that, the car was solid.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:12 PM   #47
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I'd also like to share something that some people don't realize. You can easilly pull back some timing by modifying the coding plug. In the particular example I worked with, I took the coding plug off, opened it up, soldered 1 wire, put it back together, and all was good. I don't remember the details, but the service manuals should have a good diagram of what needs to be done.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:38 PM   #48
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Tony: I hope Derek sees your post on the BEGI. Super job laying it out, as always! Oh, and sure, if the intercooler is a closed system with just water, your flow will work. But I can see no reason not to reverse the circulation and have it fill from the bottom, and that would more readily fill the IC.

John: If I proceed with installing the intercooler I now have waiting in the garage and up the boost a bit with a pulley change, I wll need the Sharktuner. As an early Spanner owner, I am watching the development with extreme interest.

Daryl: Thanks for the intake details. Rick Carter has posted some pics of his intake and modded install on the email list, but I don't see it posted here yet. He has an 85, so there is room for the intake on the driver side. Look at this.

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Old 12-10-2005, 03:55 PM   #49
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Daryl,

Your intake is what us later model SC guys have been looking for. Very nice and I will be sending you an email.
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Old 12-10-2005, 04:40 PM   #50
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Bill,
I got the idea from a post on the supermodel site. Ken 85 S, routed his out behind the PS reservoir, much like Ricks. Thanks for the links. There is an existing opening there. I can understand not wanting to cut the car. But to quote Tony. “The first cut hurts the most”.

If you are considering the Shark Tuner I am interested in looking at a “share purchase” if anyone is interested. I can’t justify the cost alone. I like the idea of making our own chips.

Sab, I am not sure but do you have a slight ping? Did you pick up on:

“I'd also like to share something that some people don't realize. You can easilly pull back some timing by modifying the coding plug. In the particular example I worked with, I took the coding plug off, opened it up, soldered 1 wire, put it back together, and all was good. I don't remember the details, but the service manuals should have a good diagram of what needs to be done”.

Anyone working on traction problems? Woody where are you?
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Old 12-10-2005, 05:19 PM   #51
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Hey Daryl,
The CS 89' auto we play with at 10psi has major traction problems with 295/35/18"s on it, anything you can come up with traction wise would help. I can only imagine what a TS would do midrange at those boost levels...BTW, did I mention that we also sell tires?

I am curious, the CS 89' auto will not spin from a dead stop in a straight line until it hits about 7psi. (about halfway through an intersection) What are the TS guys seeing with an auto and 89' or later gears? Can you boil them from a dead stop? On the CS the tach will stay at redline when it shifts into second, the tires just catch up to the engine. Same thing? I have a customer interested in a TS setup and he wants to know.
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Hi Mike,
Well, you can set the coding plug for 91 octane, which will pull back the timing. I can't say exactly how it changes it (probably at high loads/rpm) but hopefully we will find out the secrets of the EZK software in due course.

Hi Bill,
There are 3 SharkTuners in the US at present. DR has the one, he has done preliminary remapping with good results, although with other commitments I don't believe he has done so much recently. One of the others is being evaluated with a fairly standard car, and the feedback has been very useful.

The 3rd is due to be used with a stroker remapping. I expect results will become available in due course.

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Old 12-10-2005, 05:46 PM   #53
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If you DO have a more recent revision system with the IC outlet on TOP, make sure you use it as an outlet. .
hmmm..well, again, i guess we will see what happens. On Darriens car we have his running with the top as an inlet. However, when i filled the resivour,i filled it to the point that im pretty sure there is little or no air in the system. The resivour as you look at it in the fender has NO air pockets in it.... IF it doesnt work the way it is now, just some minor plumming changes.no biggy

Also, if any one is running the oil seperator that DR sells, there is a PERFECT spot for it under the throttle linkage assembley on the 86.5 cars and the ones that use the similar throttle set up. Pics to follow.

As far as wheel spin and traction control from a stop Dave, if i start it in 1st gear (via 2 on the selector) and put my food down in the same manner and force i would to launch an NA S4, the car will litterally go no where. The tires will spin with little effort. Launching the TS auto takes a bit of gettting use too, but it is very managble.

I here ya about the high fuel pressures john. I hate doing it that way. It was one of the reasons i went to new fuel lines..steal braided and crimpped fittings.
While neither is good, Id rather have a rod break than a fuel line!

As far as chips are concerned...I envision a day when we can perhaps call up DR and say,
" i have an 87s4, running 42lb injectors and 11psi boost, send me a chip"
or...."an 86.5 with 24lb injectors running 7 psi"...

Perhaps at some point we can accumulate a data base of maps for differnt cominations...when the time comes, DR could pull them out of a library of files and burn thespecific one needed by a customer....just a wild idea

I will say any addition of HP in these cars does take some gettting use to...you can find your self sideways on a freeway on ramp VERY quickly if your not careful. It will bite you at least once...then you will respect it a bit more. Ask me how i know!
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Old 12-10-2005, 06:00 PM   #54
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Your intake is what us later model SC guys have been looking for. Very nice and I will be sending you an email.

Ill second that...
does the liner still go on?
No interference with the headlight?
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And if you're one of those who needs a second opinion...

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I will say any addition of HP in these cars does take some gettting use to...you can find your self sideways on a freeway on ramp VERY quickly if your not careful. It will bite you at least once...then you will respect it a bit more. Ask me how i know!
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Old 12-10-2005, 06:11 PM   #56
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For you guys with the S4's why don't you go under the rad like Tim Murphy plumbed the inlets for his superchargers? Unless you have the new version with the oil cooler down there, but I think he founds a way around that as well when jorge put his together.
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Hi Dave,
I am running an 8lb boost pulley on an Eaton intercooler. My boost gauge reads about 7 lbs. I have an auto trans with the limited slip diff and the car was built for the European market so I am not sure what gear ratio it is. I think possibly a tad lower but not sure. Rear tires are 255x40 ZR 17” Bridgestone B500 SI. On full throttle off the line acceleration, both tires break immediately and spin hard to red line. On the one/two shift the rear end will push out a bit depending on the road surface and settle down from there. Bills posts will give you an idea of the smoke. In my case both tires. The ideal tire for me would be one that will slip just a little off the line. My thinking is to cushion the drive line a little. And I would like to stay with a 17” tire.
Just a side story. Just a few days after I got my car sorted out I took it to the street legal drags. My son and I used to race a car there so no big deal. I really had never floored the car off the line before but put it through just about every thing else. Andy had coached me on how I should drive the car. I pulled up to the start line and could feel the adrenine start to pump. Everything I was supposed to do as far as launching the car went right out the window. I hammered the gas hard and went for second at red line. The car hit second and the rear moved out to the left. I let off the gas to straighten her out and floored it again while looking in my mirror. I couldn’t believe the tire smoke behind me. All of a sudden the engine is missing. Oh S—t hit the rev limiter. Time for third. My time was just under 14.5. I feel confident that I can get into the mid 12s with the proper setup and good air. I was pretty red faced after that run but the car did draw a lot of attention from other racers out there
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Tony, yes the liner goes back on. The inlet pipe pushes it out slightly at the top but causes no problems. You will see it in the pictures I send you.
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Tony, yes the liner goes back on. The inlet pipe pushes it out slightly at the top but causes no problems. You will see it in the pictures I send you.
Got them, thanks
I fwd'd them to Darrien to see what he thinks.
Great idea, iw ish i woudl have looked at that also.
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Daryl, how about softening the driveline with wrinkle-walls??

For the track (and Saturday nite) only, of course!!
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