Warren928

Has anyone explored the idea of running dual tube into the engine for Andy's kits? Making it, of course like the DR kit. Data from Corky bells book supports, as along with DR's dyno data, that using a dual intake with dual MAFs all the way to the supercharger seem to give the 928 more power with little effort. All you need is a trashed MAF and a resistor to divide the signal in half output mode.

It seems like the only part that would need some good custom welding fab would be a Y pipe coming from the dual filters to the throttle body instead of the standard single pipe.

I imagine the bottleneck, once reaching to the throttle body acts like a bernoulli effect, where is speeds up crossing thru the smaller area temporarilly and into the supercharger. Thus the dual intake system with hidden air filters below the fender seem to the the least cluttered, highes hp gain style system. While I like the look of DR's air filter, I would rather have the filters out of the way for servicing.

DR

In case you haven't seen the final production version of our Twin filters see photo below. They now have 2 quick release latches that make removing our new filter assemblies quick and easy for servicing etc.

Warren928

That looks nice DR and very functional.

One thing is that I dont see DR, is you making an upgrade kit for aprox. 40? of Andy Keels supercharger kits so they are more reliable and putting out more HP. Please let us know if that is coming.

Sure I would like to see something like that, but most of us with Andy's kit who already spent thousands won't spend $6k more for a completely new kit, either. At least until the whole thing wears out, but I dont see that being a short term issue.

That being said, those parts on the intake look pretty customized, and while I now they are part of the blackbird intake kit, not everything is there to turn a single MAF SC setup to a dual MAF SC setup.

Any thoughts on that subject?

RyanPerrella

Dave,

This filter setup is included in the price for the TS kit correct?

How long till you have kits available for sale? Is this still 4-6 months away from the next batch?

DR

Hi Warren,

I have thought about this subject many times, I keep coming back to something similar to the CAIs made for the C6 Corvette (see photo) that could come across the top of the radiator. But in the meantine, you, Tony, Darien, Ken, and others seems to have some really great solutions.

DR

Hi Ryan,

Yes that filter setup is standard on all of our kits. The filters on the Euro S 16V Prototype version in the picture above are a little longer than than the 32V version, but otherwise identical.

Since everything is pretty much set now as far as design goes I hope to be caught up with current orders in 4-6 months. Once that is done and the 16V systems are released I plan to have both systems in stock for a pretty quick turnaround when ordered.

Vlocity

[I have one of the ZO6 connectors on a shelf in the basement.....the problem is that there is not enough clearance between the top of the radiator and the hood. I tortured one of those connectors with a heat gun and there was no way that it was going to fit. The other issue was the required filter size, the filter I chose would not fit, even with laying the radiator back an extra inch. So.... maybe someone else would succeed but I couldn't make it work. I had planned to build a fiberglass connector over the top of the radiator, but when the filter would not fit and blocked over 25% of the radiator I went to plan B, which was out the fender well, it's a short run (less than 18 inches) all 4 inch all the way to the Maf with only one 90 degree turn.

The problem with a conversion to DR's set up is that I believe he is using a different dimension blower. There is no where near the room behind my 2.4 liter to make the connections.

Regards,

Ken

Bill Ball

Warren: I believe DR's intake system cannot be retrofitted to any of Andy's Supermodel installations because there is not enough room behind the blower. DR located his blower further forward. Dr. correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this was covered before.

DR

Hi Bill,

Hope all is well with you!

The answer to your question is yes and no. With the "Series I" air guide there was not enough room. With the new Series II Cad designed Air guide I designed it so it can be cast as one part but can be milled to various depths (Front to back) to accomodate larger Autorotors. This design is currently being made from 4 parts tig welded together. As I get more systems made and shipped I will be able to fund the casting pattern to make this in one cast part that is CNC'd for whatever size system I need it for. Casting patterns are expensive to make and casting patterns with core inserts like the one needed for this part are 2-3 times the cost. Plus you also need to hand build some versions first to make sure you don't need to make any changes. Making changes in a casting pattern even without core inserts is a pain and sometimes you would have to start all over with a new casting pattern. BTDT :-(

It is all about time and money.... and money and time.....

The bottom line is that I may have something available to upgrade the Supermodel version to a Twin TB setup, but as behind as I already am, that certainly won't be available before next year.

Tony

I thought about picking up one of the blank castings that DR posted on a whlie back to play with. From this, move the supercharger fwd and add an euqally shorter snout to keep the belts in line. A little may have to be shaved off the bottom of the top casting for more clearance...but As DR said, im sure it can be done. Just takes time and $$$$.

Im happy with 448 non-sharktuned HP at this point. After doing Darriens car, im thinking the method used there(in the front right fender) is by far the best solution for an intake for all the current "keel" kits out there, especially when you compare cost-time, "looks" and "bang for the buck" in the end. After Darien hits 448, I'll get back to work ; )

Bill Ball

Tony: It does look like a very good solution. Nice job, as always.

DR: Thanks for updating us on the potential use of your intake on cars with Andy's kits. This would just be for Autorotors, right?

Mike Frye

DR,

Are those the same filters that the 'Blackbird' uses? Can you give a part number?

Also, are parts of this system available individually or only as part of the set?

Imo000

You know you can just simply relocate the rad with a pair of double L shaped brackets. This might give enough clearance to make that intake clear the hood and the top of the rad. Look at my SC build page (link in the signature) and there is a pic of the relocation brackets. The only modification needed, besides the drop down brackets, is to shorten the lower rad hose by about ¾”.

With the rad dropped down and moved back it was enough to easily clear a 2.5” pipe.

DR

Hi Mike,

Yes the filters are the same, there is no part number at the moment. I designed those filters and have them custom made for me.


Not at this time, once I get caught up I may offer some parts individually. All resources are going towards current orders.

I do have a few "demo" parts from my earlier version that will be sold.

DR

Just so it is clear, I was discussing the "Air Guide" not the intake manifold. The Air Guide is the part that the throttle bodys bolt to and that bolts to the intake port of the SC.

To answer your question the cast part I have designed should be able to be CNC'd to fit the Eaton also. If someone could send me a template of the intake port surface on the Eaton I could confirm this when I get the time.