v-tach

how do our cars compare to these 2 on the track in stock form ?
considering adding a second car to my fleet !
thanks
v-tach

justin

The 944 handles great with very little mods. it would make a good track car, but be sure and get a good turbo one.

Mark

993 - VERY different animal (and different driving talents needed!!)

944T (951) vs. 928 on track really depends on the mods and track layout....BUT - in 'stock' or close to it form - lots of long sweepers and straights favor the 928...if it's really a short/tight course that doesn't allow for letting the shark spreading her wings...then the Turbo gets the nod.
928 & 951 are also very different animals....In another recent post I described it as: "If the 928 is an elegant HIGH CLASS "lady of the evening"...the 951 is a rough riding redneck girl on spanish fly! "

If you have more then "just one" - you will find yourself driving different cars on different days and for different reasons. My daughter asked me just yesterday, which one I like more, 'Baby' (the shark) or "Farrah" (951). I responded to her - that, of the vehicles, Baby was my first real carlove....but, I liked them both - and it would be sort of be like her asking me which I loved more - her, or her brother.

ibkevin

Between weight distribution and boost, the 951 is superbly agile! Add a few thousand dollars in mods and she will absolutely astound you. It's easy to see why high end Porsche owners "overlook" 951's.

Take a nice 951 out for a drive, but don't blame me

m21sniper

I know a guy selling a REALLY clean 87' 944 turbo for $7000 right now, local guy. I don't think he posts on any websites, but i have his number if anyone is interested.

monabaker

I'll sell my 951 for anyone who wants to give me a great deal on a 993.

User 41221

I've driven both a stock 951 (non S) and '82 928 with the competition package (LSD and Bilsteins) on several different tracks (Heartland Park and Hallet) and will give the nod to a 951 in pretty much any situation on those tracks. I don't have any knowledge of S4's or any of the higher end 928's, but I would have to believe that the same difference in price spent upgrading a 951 would result in the 951 eating it alive. 951's really do well on the track.

For what its worth, I have also seen a couple of monster 928's that did plenty of "eating" on the track, but not for the same amount of money. A 951 is a great "budget" choice, if you have the money to play, 928's are a great choice as well. I have no experience with 993's.

Regards,

m21sniper

The 944 Turbo i drove recently(the one mentioned above) felt like it was about 60+ hp short of my Shark. He'd have to really smoke me in the corners(not likely considering i also have bilstiens and LSD, and am a bit more than 300lbs under stock weight) to have a prayer of holding my shark off on any kind of decent straights.

Rehan

In stock form I would say that my GT is faster than the 951. But as soon as you start to modify them (bigger turbo etc), the 951 is faster due to that it's lighter.

Gnarly 928

I've DEed with and raced against both 951s(all levels of 944 turbos) and many 993s for about 4 years as my GT progressed from street/performance to full out street-based racer. At all but the highest level of modification, both those will outperform a 928 on the track, fairly easily. Now, before everyone goes all haywire and gets all huffy..A generalization like this always has many "Yeah, but...s" that are totally valid. When you put a lot of modifications into a 928, they become capable of trouncing either of the other models, no matter how THEY are modifed...Unless you run up against a fully prepared 993 turbo racecar...There, you WILL be out-accelerated on the straights and probably beat round a track, if the driver of that car is any good. If you have a fully modified 928 of standard displacment, a 944 turbo will still give you fits, winning against all but the best driven sharks. You can find 993 racecars really pretty cheap right now, and the same with 944 turbos. It is not cheap to take a beater 928 and try to bring it up to the level to run with those other cars. You would be better off with the others. One can make a 928 competative, yes. And if DE is what you're talking about, well a fairly stock 928 is not going to embarrass you, it'll hold it's own with most other DE cars. If you are thinking of starting with DE and moving along towards racing..I think I'd chose the 951..much less modification necessary to go fast..The Track record at my home track is held by 944 turbos, despite a few 928s racing here in the same class..another consideration is cost..I just bought a fairly fresh 944 turbo motor, complete with all the controllers and hardware, ready to run for $2500...I just spent way north of $15K on just the "lump" of my latest 928 motor..Big difference in cost, smaller difference in performance..
Or, you could get the best of both worlds: Kelly-Moss racing build a FabCar chassis "944" up with a 700(+/-)Hp 928 stroker motor...I hear that one is for sale..
Don Hanson

bd0nalds0n

What's fairly cheap for a race car? I see a lot of 951s on the classifieds, all asking around $25k - $30k. While I'm sure that it's easy to dump money into anything, those prices seem fairly rich to me. But I'm very uninitiated...

Jim bailey - 928 International

Brian racing and inexpensive should never ever appear together in the same sentence , never ever.The new cheap Porsche racer is a mid 1980s normally aspirated 944 "Spec racer" no engine modifications stripped out with a cage BUT must weigh about 3000 lbs WITH driver ,7 inch wide rims very very restricted ....they sell for 10-12K. Renting a reasonably competitive car for the Speed GT series could cost you $ about 25K for ONE WEEkEND....ONE RACE !

Gnarly 928

$10-$30 k is "cheap" for a race car. Consider a very used 996 cup car may run easily over $50k. Consider a VW Beetle will likely fetch over $30k new. Consider a friggin Hardly Davidson will probably cost over $25 k, and those are a 'Proud' peice of 75 year old technology. Jim is right..cheap and Race are not two words that ever belong together, though if you don't care about your finishing position, you can race a cheap car for not too much money and have lots of fun without spending more than an avid golfer or something..
Don Hanson

Dennis K

In stock form, I'd say order of speed is 951, 993 then 928s4. However, no one runs stock at the track and it turns into a game of escalation.

At DE's it's all about the driver. So pick your poison and go have fun. 993, 928 or 951, it doesn't really matter; driver skill will make the biggest difference in laptime.

It's more complicated for club racing due to budget and rules, but then we're not talking about unmodded cars anymore . . .

m21sniper

I suspect that were you to put a 944 Turbo and a 928 on a superspeedway such as talledega or daytona the 928 would absolutely RAPE the 944...and the same is true in a drag race(comparing year for year).

It depends what kind of 'racing' we're talking about. In road racing, it seems the 944s are the cats pajamas, but it would take a seriously modified 944 to stay with the typical 928S on a super speedway, and forget about hanging with a 928 in the 1/4 mile.