mspiegle

My thoughts exactly. As ****ty as it sounds, I blame the community.

fst951

Cobalt.

I assume you meant that magnesium weighs 1/3 less than aluminum, not 1/3 the weight of aluminum?

Thanks,

Garrity

cobalt

Man I have to proof reeeeeaaad my writing. Yes your correct I meant 1/3rd less than Aluminum not 1/3 rd of Aluminum.

I think what they are saying about Emails lowering your IQ may be correct, I find I make more stupid mistakes nowadays.

FlyingDog

That's age, not emails.

cobalt

Ouch that hurt!

Gretch

Man is that friggin classic. No statements made, no explanation, yet a rush to place BLAME? What a load of bull****. No wonder the media is full of kneejerk reactionaries. There is aparently a market for dramatic speculation and witch hunting.

This is pitiful man.........The guy may or not decide on his own what his future is gonna be, that is his business......


BLAME? Have some dignity, please.

Jim_H

If people are trying to beat Andy up on price he should say 'no'. If people are wanting things outside of what Andy offered, he should say 'no'.

I guess I don't get the blame thing.

Shane said
We have stepped into supercars for CHEAP and expect supercar like products for cheap and in doing so drive people like Andy to the edge. Yes WE did this to him! So how do we give back to him in kind? More demands, more requests for "free support", or do we look for a way to reward him for advancing our cars into the 21st century? Lets' do something for him for once!

heinrich

This is not a big deal. First we don't know what is going on, so no conclusions can be drawn. Second, even if we did draw conclusions, Andy has provided us all a great service by putting the twinscrew option out there as a low-cost option. To go with drawing conclusions, if Andy has stopped doing what he has been doing that is his decision, business goes like that. As for us ..... we are left with the option of installing twinscrews onto our cars, nothing prevents us. Ergo ... Andy has done us all a great favour by proving it could be done.

If I were to instal a twinscrew it would be in close cooperation with Tony, as IMHO Tony took the twinscrew to production-quality.

heinrich

Someone thought this post looked harsh. Not intended that way at all. I personally thank Andy for all the hard work he has done, and for as I say, giving us all the gift of a very sexy solution for horses and torque to keep our beautiful cars updated. Maybe Andy continues on as usual and continues to provide this great service, or maybe not. All I meant was, we'll be OK either way because Andy has done this for us.

bcdavis

Exactly.

Someone (Devek?) will take the project, and run with it.

If Devek doesn't pursue it, someone else will.

And I do agree at least in theory, that all the arguments and complaints and impatience I saw on the boards, would indeed make me rethink being in this business. It got pretty harsh and demanding. The same thing is happening with the turnclear guy. He goes out of his way to get clear lenses made, and all people can do, is barrage him with e-mails about when they will be getting their product. We need to stop expecting Porsche dealership service, out of regular people, who have regular jobs, yet still try to put out some cool products for the 928. Stop being so demanding, and maybe more people will stay in this business...

mspiegle

Actually, I quoted what Shane said as the reason. Trust me, Andy has mentioned to me on many more than one occasion that he was sick of the BS and had doubts. Passion for it all probably played a part in keeping him in the game. I'm sure hopes of financially breaking even was part of it too...

Being closer to Andy, I get to know more about what actually goes on. I was Andy's neighbor and shared a garage with him since before he had his very first production-ready casted manifold finished. My 86.5 was the 2nd car to be blessed with one of Andy's systems (his being the first car). He later moved back home, but we talk often.

Andy isn't officially done with it until he says so. I can tell you though, he's made significant changes to his life in order to support this venture. I personally think the man is crazy to sacrafice what he has, but I definately admire everything about him and what he has done.

So Gretch, that is where my "rush to place blame" comes from. Its because I know more than anyone else here what he has dealt with and what he has sacraficed. This most definately isn't a kneejerk reaction - as I stated before, this wouldn't be the first time that he's considered getting out.

And trust me, i've got plenty of dignity. I surely don't need any sort of respect from you. I've got plenty from the people who actually know me, and that's all I need.

Tony

great advertising though!

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as for blame...thats always an ugly word theres always fingers pointing everywhere and being one who has shared much of what i have found, not all(shared with the source however), im sure some will point this way. .....but i have a pocket full of quarters if you want to call some one else who cares about blame. Clear conscious here.

sometimes the truth can hurt ..... People have had issues with the kit...some haven't.
When i post about a problem i've had, its a problem i've had! Whether it was induced by me or not...doesn't matter. When i have made 400 Hp, i have made 400 hp. Simple really, I just tell it like it is.


Appreciate that Heinrich but as we know cooperation is a TWO way street. doesn't sound nice does it? Please don't take that the wrong way. Id help you or anyone here with a problem...im just not into "production of a kit cooporation" if that makes sense.

let me say it here again.
I have gotten a few Emails over time asking whether i am going to make a KIT...

I have absolutely no..none...nada...EL ZIPPO intent or even interest of ever producing a Twinsscrew kit for sale or marketing.

One reason why is what you see going on here..you gotta put up with the BS thats slung at you. You have to take the good with the bad...some are better at it than others. You also have to have your ducks in a very tight line in order for it to work. It cant be rushed and not being rushed takes time. While my line of work provides me with plenty of time id much rather spend it around here with the wife and kids, the house and travel.
Ive done what ive done with Andys kit for my own enjoyment and gratification. Its a hobby and as some one else mentioned in an other post it becomes almost an obsession.
I havent done it for anyone else but my self but i hope many of you benefit from what i post on here...good news or bad...critisism or praise. The info that i share both good and bad is for anyone who uses it to decipher and do with it what they will. Its how one responds to the bad news and criticisms is what always enlightens me. If Andy is getting out because its not financially worth it or takes to much of his free time from other activities he enjoys, i dont blame him! Wouldn't you?




I got mine

Gretch

Michael,

Peace man. Your insight above is enlightening. Still my point is that Andy made choices based on his motivations and desires. Maybe it works out for him and maybe it does not.

"Andy has mentioned to me on many more than one occasion that he was sick of the BS and had doubts. Passion for it all probably played a part in keeping him in the game. I'm sure hopes of financially breaking even was part of it too..."

The market per se is not going to be swayed by blame. Its behavior is not going to be altered by hurty feelers. It appears a niave expression of emotion to think so. People get into and out of hobbies (and business) all the time. The market provides an opportunity and a grade against competition. You gotta know that going in. I admire the effort Andy put in, and have said so several times. I also respect his making choices that are right for him.

I think placing blame is generally a waste of energy, however I was harsh in my choice of words expressing this. It is the concept I lack respect for, not the person expressing it. You have my apology for not having been more precise in my words, and the offense it may have caused you.

If Andy stops his development, I too will be disappointed. But it will get picked up by the next guy with a dream. Customers are ALWAYS a pain in the ***, ask ANY vendor here.

bcdavis

I'm not trying to blame any particular person, but look at the turnclear situation.

The guy goes out of his way to make us clear turn signals, because a bunch of people say they really want them.
So he goes out and makes molds, contacts the plastics manufacturer, and gets some production set up...
A lot of the details are out of his control. Supplier delays, etc... Plus I'm sure he has a job, a family, etc...

But when there is a delay, and the product does not arrive right away, then people start
sending a string of e-mails, asking where their part is. Then people start accusing the
guy of being a scam, talking about cancelling their checks, telling other people not
to do business with him, etc...

All because some regular guy decided to help us out.

And if he gets out of the business, because he gets too many e-mails,
or too many phone calls, where are you, or future 928 owners going to
get your clear markers? Make them yourself? Your bad attitude,
and impatience, will have driven off the only vendor of a very
cool product. And if the twinscrew kits go away, because all
of the e-mails and phone calls pissed off Andy, then you have
no one else to blame but yourselves. Sure, it's his personal
choice. But doing this for appreciative customers, is different
from doing it for demanding customers... The enjoyment level
drops significantly.

I see people seem to hassle these vendors, and expect perfect service,
and a perfect product, and immediate delivery. If there is something
wrong, they start complaining. I just think that people really need
to realize that ALL the 928 vendoers, both big and small, do this
out of love for the car. Not because it is a great business.
And we should all be really appreciative that they take the
time to make products that help improve the 928.

We need to be giving them the thumbs up, instead of
constantly hassling them about things...

If you can't make a superchager manifold on your own,
and you would have to build one from scratch, and it
would cost you a ton of cash, wouldn't you take one
of Andy's manifolds, even if it was not a kit?
And even if it needed adjustments?

People keep looking at this like a business.
But it's not.
It's a hobby.

And without these fellow enthusiasts, we would not have these cool products...

We need to do more cheering of all the vendors, and less hassling.

Have patience, and show appreciation for what they are trying to do.

heinrich

Tony you know you would have been right there had I not had to sell that kit back then