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03-03-2005, 01:53 PM
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Bill,
As a fellow Open Roader I will look to you and George for the validated info on the supercharger performance in Open Road Racing. If heat and detonation issues don't present themselves in this venue, they probably won't be a factor anywhere. You will be making more sustained pressure in one weekend of racing and practice than most street drivers will see in months of driving. I wish you all the best.
Why don't you put half a tank of 104 unleaded in at the race, just for safety until you have collected all of your data?
I'll put my hat into the ring for a ride at Sharks in the Park also!!
As a fellow Open Roader I will look to you and George for the validated info on the supercharger performance in Open Road Racing. If heat and detonation issues don't present themselves in this venue, they probably won't be a factor anywhere. You will be making more sustained pressure in one weekend of racing and practice than most street drivers will see in months of driving. I wish you all the best.
Why don't you put half a tank of 104 unleaded in at the race, just for safety until you have collected all of your data?
I'll put my hat into the ring for a ride at Sharks in the Park also!!
03-03-2005, 02:24 PM
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Bill,
This is the point I was trying to make all along if indirectly so.
Precisely because I know you will be running at the ORR, it was a cause for concern to me. The sustained high speed runs at elevation, and increased temperature will play a part. In addition, if you do not use 100 Oct, it may be an issue, or maybe it may not. I know that in the desert, it's possible to get a batch of "bad gas," as well as seeing temps higher than 95F. If you run in a speed class doing both legs at average of 150+, things may be different than a 5 minute drive at 100mph in the Mojave at 100F at seal level... Then again, some may claim otherwise..
I am not aware of any 928 using this setup in ORR as yet, and as you will be the first I was offering opinions toward prudence. Anyway, I wish you and everyone else luck with their setups..
However, all of the above said, this still does not change the science of efficiency, of the compressor test in similar conditions...
BC,
FYI, some people buy a Rolex because they like it... nothing to do with price.....
People are just showing their concern and maybe some healthy skepticism. None of them have been adament about it, so I don't take this negatively. It's a reasonable point for some discussion.
You and others have driven the tar out of cars at 5lbs. with no IC with no problems. And that is the way I want to go. At the same time, I think the open road race events, with 100 miles or more at an AVERAGE speed of 145-150 MPH (or higher if I have a navigator) at high altitude in 95 degree heat is something that maybe only a few have done with this kind of setup.
I am not aware of any 928 using this setup in ORR as yet, and as you will be the first I was offering opinions toward prudence. Anyway, I wish you and everyone else luck with their setups..
However, all of the above said, this still does not change the science of efficiency, of the compressor test in similar conditions...
BC,
Some people will buy a Rolex watch, because it is supposed to be high-tech.
03-03-2005, 03:02 PM
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Tim:
No 104 for me. That defeats the purpose of this kit. It should work on 91 pump gas at 5 lbs. I'm not expecting any trouble, but I will be watching and documenting. George is intercooled and already has run races at 5 lbs with no trouble. This year he bumped the boost - one dyno run showed 8.9 lbs. (437 HP) - and will be shooting for averages over 160. Should be OK.
There should be 3 SC'd 928s at Sharks in the Park on May 14th, and 2 of them will just be back from ORR in Nevada the previous weekend. Who knows, by June we may have a few more at your Sharks at Tahoe (Sharks in the Lake) event!
No 104 for me. That defeats the purpose of this kit. It should work on 91 pump gas at 5 lbs. I'm not expecting any trouble, but I will be watching and documenting. George is intercooled and already has run races at 5 lbs with no trouble. This year he bumped the boost - one dyno run showed 8.9 lbs. (437 HP) - and will be shooting for averages over 160. Should be OK.
There should be 3 SC'd 928s at Sharks in the Park on May 14th, and 2 of them will just be back from ORR in Nevada the previous weekend. Who knows, by June we may have a few more at your Sharks at Tahoe (Sharks in the Lake) event!
03-03-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane
I do believe there is one in progress in Oregon.
Progress is slower than I would like.
Andy,
What is the best way to get responses from you? I have very little faith that I am going to get the help I need when actual installation starts when I get can't get the basic info I need to get started.
This may seem basic to you but I want to do it right.
We had a conversation about communication a month ago and your response was you have to prioritize. Fair enough, I need you to put me higher on your priority list so I can get this put in in the next few weeks.
Here is the last question I sent 2 weeks ago I need an answer to-
> I am installing the GTS oil breather update and need to know if this is going to mess anything up you have already prepared.
No problem I'll make an additional separator that comes off that fitting.
Can I do this? If not let me know what I owe.
03-03-2005, 03:42 PM
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Jim_H, have you tried using the 928supermodel forum much? If we can get people to post their experiences/troubles, then we'll eventually have a database of knowledge so that it doesn't require as much from Andy. He is a limited resource, the forum is not.
03-03-2005, 03:56 PM
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Yes, for specific installation issues, the Supermodel forum is the way to go. And it makes it much better for Andy to manage installation questions there. I have posted questions there, and Andy and others have replied in fairly short order. Post in the appropriate installation area instruction thread that Andy has started.
03-03-2005, 05:12 PM
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Jim,
Is that the last question you asked me via e-mail?
Also can you please clarify, is something that I have done
that is holding you up on installiation?
Time to make this announcement from Feb 2nd again:
Hello Everyone,
Unfortunately I am not bragging but pleaing for help.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hearing from everyone, but we have to start utilizing the forum. I can't keep up with the volume of PMs and e-mails I get. If you post a question on the forum and it is answered it serves as a reference for many. The forum will become a body of knowledge for your and everyone's future use.
I counted today and found that I have recieved well over 3000 combined e-mails and PMs over the past 10 months concerned with SCing. This is not an exact, but a conservative figure. Most of the e-mails are from owners of my systems. Currently there are 17 owners. The average # of combined e-mails and PMs I get from an owner is about 100. Some have sent over 150. I don't even get the chance to communicate with my parents more than 3 times a month. Not even a 4 minute phone call.
I'll venture to guess if I segmented and counted the e-mails that were actual questions in regards to installing, there would be well under 150 total.
Strangely, there are only 254 posts on the forum yet everyone with a system has access to it.
If for example it only takes 2 minutes to read and 2 minutes to reply to an e-mail then the conservative total of 3000 e-mails represents 12000 minutes or 200hours or 5 work weeks. Guys I am sorry but I can't keep up with this volume of e-mails. 5 weeks of typing on a keyboard when I could be doing more testing, writing better directions etc. Now you feel my pain.
Starting now I will now only be answering e-mails in regards to
PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR DURING/AFTER AN ACTUAL INSTALL.
Shipments
Purchasing Inquiries
Possible Warranty Items
If you want to discuss more HP, additional intercooling, or anything else, then by all means do, but on the forum. You guys all send me great ideas and you should share them with one another. It's kinda sad that I am the only other person that gets some of the great ideas you guys send me.
Please, Please, Please utilize the forum v/s e-mailing me for any discussion not directly related to problems with installs. If you have a problem with an install then feel free to e-mail or call me. If you have a QUESTION about installs then first post it on the forum.
Cheers.
Andy K
Is that the last question you asked me via e-mail?
Also can you please clarify, is something that I have done
that is holding you up on installiation?
Time to make this announcement from Feb 2nd again:
Hello Everyone,
Unfortunately I am not bragging but pleaing for help.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hearing from everyone, but we have to start utilizing the forum. I can't keep up with the volume of PMs and e-mails I get. If you post a question on the forum and it is answered it serves as a reference for many. The forum will become a body of knowledge for your and everyone's future use.
I counted today and found that I have recieved well over 3000 combined e-mails and PMs over the past 10 months concerned with SCing. This is not an exact, but a conservative figure. Most of the e-mails are from owners of my systems. Currently there are 17 owners. The average # of combined e-mails and PMs I get from an owner is about 100. Some have sent over 150. I don't even get the chance to communicate with my parents more than 3 times a month. Not even a 4 minute phone call.
I'll venture to guess if I segmented and counted the e-mails that were actual questions in regards to installing, there would be well under 150 total.
Strangely, there are only 254 posts on the forum yet everyone with a system has access to it.
If for example it only takes 2 minutes to read and 2 minutes to reply to an e-mail then the conservative total of 3000 e-mails represents 12000 minutes or 200hours or 5 work weeks. Guys I am sorry but I can't keep up with this volume of e-mails. 5 weeks of typing on a keyboard when I could be doing more testing, writing better directions etc. Now you feel my pain.
Starting now I will now only be answering e-mails in regards to
PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR DURING/AFTER AN ACTUAL INSTALL.
Shipments
Purchasing Inquiries
Possible Warranty Items
If you want to discuss more HP, additional intercooling, or anything else, then by all means do, but on the forum. You guys all send me great ideas and you should share them with one another. It's kinda sad that I am the only other person that gets some of the great ideas you guys send me.
Please, Please, Please utilize the forum v/s e-mailing me for any discussion not directly related to problems with installs. If you have a problem with an install then feel free to e-mail or call me. If you have a QUESTION about installs then first post it on the forum.
Cheers.
Andy K
03-03-2005, 06:17 PM
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Andy,
No it was not the last question I asked. The last question I asked was whether you had mistakenly sent me 2 70mm pulleys. Your response was quick, "you should ony have 1, drop the other in the mail, I need it".
Is ounds like what you are saying is if i post my questions on your forum I will get a response, but not if I ask you a question in a pm. Fair enough, wish I would have known this earlier. As for your question of whether you are holding me up. I was supposed to hear back about how the intake worked and what needed to be done for the GTS oil breather update.
No it was not the last question I asked. The last question I asked was whether you had mistakenly sent me 2 70mm pulleys. Your response was quick, "you should ony have 1, drop the other in the mail, I need it".
Is ounds like what you are saying is if i post my questions on your forum I will get a response, but not if I ask you a question in a pm. Fair enough, wish I would have known this earlier. As for your question of whether you are holding me up. I was supposed to hear back about how the intake worked and what needed to be done for the GTS oil breather update.
Originally Posted by GoRideSno
Jim,
Is that the last question you asked me via e-mail?
Cheers.
Andy K
Is that the last question you asked me via e-mail?
Cheers.
Andy K
03-03-2005, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Seth W
And Nicole, its not blowing up. Period. Surely someone of your knowledge knows that 5psi is not going to do anything to this car.
But the extra power will surely cause more wear on torque tube/drive shaft and transmission, and who knows what. For that very reason I would never buy a 928 that had been supercharged before - even if it has been reversed perfectly.
Anyway, enjoy the ride!
03-03-2005, 07:34 PM
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Seth: Rockin' dood! You finally found a venue to channel all that hot air!! 
It's gonna be awesome!! 
Nicole: I guess that means you won't be buyin' my stroker either, huh?
It's gonna be awesome!! Nicole: I guess that means you won't be buyin' my stroker either, huh?
03-03-2005, 07:45 PM
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Nicole:
These cars wear from being used. The condition is more imporatant than how it got there. You can do the same damage with 300 HP as 400 HP by, say, driving at redline in a big sweeper. The torque tubes are a wear item that is going to be replaced/rebuilt at some point in all the cars. The trannies are durable unless you beat the living H out of them. With the SC, I might do a few burnouts for fun the first day until I get that out of my system, but most of the time, I will just be cruising a little faster in ORR and maybe coming out of the twisties a little quicker. Your steering rack failed at less than 100K miles and mine is still OK at 140K miles and I don't baby it. It seems just a bit too presumptive to say because somebody put an SC in a car, it is likely to suffer and should be avoided, especially at the low boost we are talking about here.
These cars wear from being used. The condition is more imporatant than how it got there. You can do the same damage with 300 HP as 400 HP by, say, driving at redline in a big sweeper. The torque tubes are a wear item that is going to be replaced/rebuilt at some point in all the cars. The trannies are durable unless you beat the living H out of them. With the SC, I might do a few burnouts for fun the first day until I get that out of my system, but most of the time, I will just be cruising a little faster in ORR and maybe coming out of the twisties a little quicker. Your steering rack failed at less than 100K miles and mine is still OK at 140K miles and I don't baby it. It seems just a bit too presumptive to say because somebody put an SC in a car, it is likely to suffer and should be avoided, especially at the low boost we are talking about here.
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Jim,
The split inlet is a no go for now. Unfortunately the the test for it at the dyno did not prove it to work well but did not rule it out either as there was one more variable that was changed along with it. Not the best way to do it I know but I had limited time on the dyno. However, if I make it to Atlanta Dragway tomorrow night and there aren't 150+ people waiting 2 hrs in front of me then I will test it again.
I'll send you the additional separator at no charge. It will be one of the very last things you will install so don't let it hold you up.
When exactly are you going to install?
As far as questions, my point is that it's just as easy to post them on the forum as it is to e-mail me. When a question is posted on the supermodel forum and answered by me or someone else it is then useful to many more people with the same ammount of effort on the part of both parties. Post a question about installation, if it isn't answered in a resonable time then e- mail me or even call me.
The very best way to get my attention is to say "I have these specifc days set aside to install." If I have that info then I will make your questions a #1 proirity. I have gone so far as to fly x-country, then drive 3hrs, worked till 2 am and slept in the car to help people install.
HTH,
Andy K
The split inlet is a no go for now. Unfortunately the the test for it at the dyno did not prove it to work well but did not rule it out either as there was one more variable that was changed along with it. Not the best way to do it I know but I had limited time on the dyno. However, if I make it to Atlanta Dragway tomorrow night and there aren't 150+ people waiting 2 hrs in front of me then I will test it again.
I'll send you the additional separator at no charge. It will be one of the very last things you will install so don't let it hold you up.
When exactly are you going to install?
As far as questions, my point is that it's just as easy to post them on the forum as it is to e-mail me. When a question is posted on the supermodel forum and answered by me or someone else it is then useful to many more people with the same ammount of effort on the part of both parties. Post a question about installation, if it isn't answered in a resonable time then e- mail me or even call me.
The very best way to get my attention is to say "I have these specifc days set aside to install." If I have that info then I will make your questions a #1 proirity. I have gone so far as to fly x-country, then drive 3hrs, worked till 2 am and slept in the car to help people install.
HTH,
Andy K
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Originally Posted by GoRideSno
Jim,
The split inlet is a no go for now. Unfortunately the the test for it at the dyno did not prove it to work well but did not rule it out either as there was one more variable that was changed along with it. Not the best way to do it I know but I had limited time on the dyno. However, if I make it to Atlanta Dragway tomorrow night and there aren't 150+ people waiting 2 hrs in front of me then I will test it again.
I'll send you the additional separator at no charge. It will be one of the very last things you will install so don't let it hold you up.
When exactly are you going to install?
As far as questions, my point is that it's just as easy to post them on the forum as it is to e-mail me. When a question is posted on the supermodel forum and answered by me or someone else it is then useful to many more people with the same ammount of effort on the part of both parties. Post a question about installation, if it isn't answered in a resonable time then e- mail me or even call me.
The very best way to get my attention is to say "I have these specifc days set aside to install." If I have that info then I will make your questions a #1 proirity. I have gone so far as to fly x-country, then drive 3hrs, worked till 2 am and slept in the car to help people install.
HTH,
Andy K
The split inlet is a no go for now. Unfortunately the the test for it at the dyno did not prove it to work well but did not rule it out either as there was one more variable that was changed along with it. Not the best way to do it I know but I had limited time on the dyno. However, if I make it to Atlanta Dragway tomorrow night and there aren't 150+ people waiting 2 hrs in front of me then I will test it again.
I'll send you the additional separator at no charge. It will be one of the very last things you will install so don't let it hold you up.
When exactly are you going to install?
As far as questions, my point is that it's just as easy to post them on the forum as it is to e-mail me. When a question is posted on the supermodel forum and answered by me or someone else it is then useful to many more people with the same ammount of effort on the part of both parties. Post a question about installation, if it isn't answered in a resonable time then e- mail me or even call me.
The very best way to get my attention is to say "I have these specifc days set aside to install." If I have that info then I will make your questions a #1 proirity. I have gone so far as to fly x-country, then drive 3hrs, worked till 2 am and slept in the car to help people install.
HTH,
Andy K
