928s in SPEED GT?
02-06-2005, 09:21 PM
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That's what I was thinking since the newest 928 would be 10 years old this year. I think that's an absurd rule if the old cars can still compete.
02-06-2005, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingDog
I think that's an absurd rule if the old cars can still compete.
02-06-2005, 10:21 PM
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Yeah, it's a playground for Cadilac and Chevy's ad departments. I guess Dodge and Volvo are in on it too, but I haven't seen any ads from them bragging about SPEED GT successes.
02-07-2005, 12:52 PM
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The old cars cannot compete IF they follow the rules. Mark A is SUPPOSSED to run a 5.4 liter engine as defined by the rules, but uses a 6.5l engine, that make more power than 90% of the field and yet has to fight hard to get close to top 10!
Mark K is the closest to following the rules, and is an exceptional driver, does a graeat job kicking some back packers butts.
We are lucky that it went on as long as it did!
I always look at the 928 as a technology platform, if it were continiously developed by the factory and aftermarket, like the corvette or 993/996, it would still be king of the hill and running up front in any series.
Mark K is the closest to following the rules, and is an exceptional driver, does a graeat job kicking some back packers butts.
We are lucky that it went on as long as it did!
I always look at the 928 as a technology platform, if it were continiously developed by the factory and aftermarket, like the corvette or 993/996, it would still be king of the hill and running up front in any series.
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02-08-2005, 01:05 AM
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Sounds like you are not developing the 928 anymore? This can't be true? If you need a test mule to develop that twin turbo 6.5L stroker (for free of course) let me know!
Sounds like you are not developing the 928 anymore? This can't be true? If you need a test mule to develop that twin turbo 6.5L stroker (for free of course) let me know!
02-08-2005, 12:37 PM
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The old cars cannot compete IF they follow the rules. Mark A is SUPPOSSED to run a 5.4 liter engine as defined by the rules, but uses a 6.5l engine,
No, the tech inspectors and rule makers know the car, and then assign weight to it to level the field. Mark Anderson is an exceptional driver - and his performance among the Haywoods, Gilassi's, and Derek Bells of the world on the same track the same day speaks to that - there is no argument.
I'd like to see Mark A get a factory ride in a more modern car - he deserves it.
Keep in mind that the Speed GT series is a BUSINESS. They must sell ad space to sponsors. The sponsors do not want a 1995 anything running up front with the 2004 BMW/Audi/Volvo - it makes it look as if the 2004 car they are racing is not much improved over the 10-year old car.... and that's bad for business.
I enjoyed seeing the 928 in the Speed GT series, but its over. Mark Anderson did us all proud.
Help me encourage Mark to enter the PCA Nationals with his car! He may even have trouble doing THAT - as Porsche (the Sponsor) would not want a discontinued model to show up as fast as current production cars...
02-08-2005, 01:01 PM
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Ironically, we are continuing developing 928 products ... with stronger than ever vigor, and are adding to the product line up with additional items for restoration, repair, maintenance, street and track! More on this soon!
Carl, the FACT is that Marks engine size is outside the VTS specifications. And another fact, I applied twice with our 928 at 6.4l and both times were told that the engine size was outside the VTC. When mentioning Marks car, they sent me his VTS form ... filled out in Marks hand writing....proving to me that his engine was 5.4l, and maybe I have his engine builder build me an engine!!! Nice try.
Please stop thinkling that Porsche does not support 928 market, or has issues with the 928 racing or beating 996GT3RS or whatever.. Again, being one of the largest resellers of Porsche parts in the US, we get frequent visits from Porsche and guess what, they have NO ISSUE with 6.5l 928s ruling the tracks....why...because it is not a car that you can buy on monday and go racing on sunday and has zero negative effect on their business!
In fact, our purchases, the 928 owners purchases, are helping Porsche meet their aftermarket sales goals! And we had a record year, and so did Porsche! Conincidence?
Carl, the FACT is that Marks engine size is outside the VTS specifications. And another fact, I applied twice with our 928 at 6.4l and both times were told that the engine size was outside the VTC. When mentioning Marks car, they sent me his VTS form ... filled out in Marks hand writing....proving to me that his engine was 5.4l, and maybe I have his engine builder build me an engine!!! Nice try.
Please stop thinkling that Porsche does not support 928 market, or has issues with the 928 racing or beating 996GT3RS or whatever.. Again, being one of the largest resellers of Porsche parts in the US, we get frequent visits from Porsche and guess what, they have NO ISSUE with 6.5l 928s ruling the tracks....why...because it is not a car that you can buy on monday and go racing on sunday and has zero negative effect on their business!
In fact, our purchases, the 928 owners purchases, are helping Porsche meet their aftermarket sales goals! And we had a record year, and so did Porsche! Conincidence?
02-08-2005, 01:03 PM
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>I enjoyed seeing the 928 in the Speed GT series, Mark Anderson did us all proud.
I couldn't agree more!!
I still have friends and family telling me they saw an "older white 928" on Speedvison and it was doing VERY well against the "Modern Big Guns"!
I couldn't agree more!!
I still have friends and family telling me they saw an "older white 928" on Speedvison and it was doing VERY well against the "Modern Big Guns"!
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>and so did Porsche! Conincidence?
Yes, Porsche's "Big Year" was 100% directly due to the Cayenne being approx. 65% of their total "car" sales.... NOT from 928 parts sales :-(
Yes, Porsche's "Big Year" was 100% directly due to the Cayenne being approx. 65% of their total "car" sales.... NOT from 928 parts sales :-(
02-08-2005, 01:45 PM
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>I really did not know that the Cayanne was part of their "aftermarket" sales program?
It could be that you and I may have dfferent definitions of "Porsche aftermarket" sales. Have you not seen all the "Genuine Accessories and aftermarket stuff" for the Cayenne?? There is more Genuine Porsche accessories and aftermarket parts availble for a Cayenne in its very short life then has been available for the 928 from Porshe and everyone else (you, Mark and I included) combined for over 25 years! You and I could only wish there was that much stuff available with or WITHOUT Porsche "aftermarket involvement" for the 928!!
Marc, the bottom line is, do you honestly think Porsche is behind (or have ever been) the 928 in over 25 years as much as they are behind the Cayenne! I would guess they have sold more Cayennes in the last few years then they probalby sold 928s in a 10 year periods or more. Porsche does dumb things sometimes, but they are not total idiots!
Don't get me wrong, I don't like it either and it is hard to admit, but we are and always will be the underdogs.. and that is fine with me. If Porsche was truly behind the 928 like the 911 or even the Cayenne you and I would not be where we are today. If Porsche was really behind the 928 as you say then why are more and more much needed replacement parts being discontinued on a daily basis? Wouldn' their time be better used making sure we can keep them running than concentrating on an "aftermarket program"? Do all of us 928 owners a big favor when you are meeting with them so often and ask them that question. I talk with my Porsche reps all the time, and they are very honest with me and tell me like it is... we are a slowly dying breed as far as Porsche is concerned :-(
On the other hand if you have offical information to the contrary from someone high enough at Porsche that can truly change this, please share. All 928 owners would love to hear about it.
Dave
It could be that you and I may have dfferent definitions of "Porsche aftermarket" sales. Have you not seen all the "Genuine Accessories and aftermarket stuff" for the Cayenne?? There is more Genuine Porsche accessories and aftermarket parts availble for a Cayenne in its very short life then has been available for the 928 from Porshe and everyone else (you, Mark and I included) combined for over 25 years! You and I could only wish there was that much stuff available with or WITHOUT Porsche "aftermarket involvement" for the 928!!
Marc, the bottom line is, do you honestly think Porsche is behind (or have ever been) the 928 in over 25 years as much as they are behind the Cayenne! I would guess they have sold more Cayennes in the last few years then they probalby sold 928s in a 10 year periods or more. Porsche does dumb things sometimes, but they are not total idiots!
Don't get me wrong, I don't like it either and it is hard to admit, but we are and always will be the underdogs.. and that is fine with me. If Porsche was truly behind the 928 like the 911 or even the Cayenne you and I would not be where we are today. If Porsche was really behind the 928 as you say then why are more and more much needed replacement parts being discontinued on a daily basis? Wouldn' their time be better used making sure we can keep them running than concentrating on an "aftermarket program"? Do all of us 928 owners a big favor when you are meeting with them so often and ask them that question. I talk with my Porsche reps all the time, and they are very honest with me and tell me like it is... we are a slowly dying breed as far as Porsche is concerned :-(
On the other hand if you have offical information to the contrary from someone high enough at Porsche that can truly change this, please share. All 928 owners would love to hear about it.
Dave
02-08-2005, 02:14 PM
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Underdogs? Huh? Why are you comparing the Cayanne to a 10 yr old out of production vehicle? What exactly were you expecting? Backflips from Porsche engineers to develop products for ANY 10 year old Prosche?? Those are unrealistic expectations. Parts go Na on many models...not just the poor little abandoned 928.
As a business owenr, you should expect one thing from Porsche, access to their inventory for resale. To date, at least for us, they have delivered as well as expected, and in many cases, well above expectations!
No one at Porsche harbors any ill will against 928'ers, or racing 928 for that matter...that is self defeating rumor that serves no one. They make business decisions and move on.
The best we can do is work with them, understand and transfer the technology that they develop for their newer vehicles and apply that technology to our 928, and just keep improving them. That is what we love to do, waht I love to do!
Underdogs? Huh? Why are you comparing the Cayanne to a 10 yr old out of production vehicle? What exactly were you expecting? Backflips from Porsche engineers to develop products for ANY 10 year old Prosche?? Those are unrealistic expectations. Parts go Na on many models...not just the poor little abandoned 928.
As a business owenr, you should expect one thing from Porsche, access to their inventory for resale. To date, at least for us, they have delivered as well as expected, and in many cases, well above expectations!
No one at Porsche harbors any ill will against 928'ers, or racing 928 for that matter...that is self defeating rumor that serves no one. They make business decisions and move on.
The best we can do is work with them, understand and transfer the technology that they develop for their newer vehicles and apply that technology to our 928, and just keep improving them. That is what we love to do, waht I love to do!