Shoen D

Renlisters,

I also emailed Devek. I will post their response on here when it is recived.

I recently purchased a manual Euro 84S 928 with complete maintenance documentation. It appears that the transmission was completely rebuilt about 30K miles ago, however I am trying to diagnose the following new problem, can you give some direction?

Problem 1
When in neutral, with the clutch peddle full out, I hear a faint low pitch grind or squeal at the clutch which stops as soon as a little pressure is put on the clutch peddle....
From reading the old rennlist posts, sounds like a bad release arm bearing / arm and guide sleeve ????

but now the real problem...maybe unrelated...

Problem 2
While on a recent drive, I had trouble shifting into 3rd gear. I stopped and was towed home. Now I can not shift into 1st gear, also when stopped or moving slow I can not put it into or take it out of any gear. I also smell a hot or burning order....Any of this make sense??

Pfunde

Hi Shoen

Reg. problem 1 : Not sure if this is the english word for it, but I think it might be a broken "clutch bearing" ( or release arm bearing ). Had simular problem on my Euro 928

Reg. problem 2 : Do you know how a burned clutch smells, if you don't , someone that knows can tell you right away, but maybee it's related to "problem 1"

:-)

Scott M.

Shoen;

Could be a few different things...

1) Bad clutch install (very common). Disc could be installed incorrectly; not adjusted correctly.
2) Worn ball cup shifter bushing...does your gear shifter have any 'vertical' play?? Grab handle and pull upwards. A worn ball cup, or a dislocated cup will prevent shifting out of 1st/3rd.
3) Bad clutch hydraulic line, or bad slave cylinder. I've had two go bad verrry shortly after clucth jobs.
4) Bad bleed job on the clutch. Try back bleeding the clutch slave.
5) Worn intermediate shaft or guide tube, unlikely though...


Scott

Jim bailey - 928 International

most likely the release bearing and it has eaten it's way through the spring fingers so the clutch no longer disengages . You will need to pull it apart and determine how much is damaged.

Normy

Shoen- about two years ago, while approaching a stop light in Orlando, my '85 S2's [aka "Euro"] clutch pedal suddenly dropped to the floor. Diagnosis: failed clutch line. The clutch in these cars is hydraulically actuated, and it uses brake fluid. There is a spring that actually helps push the clutch pedal down, believe it or not. If you have normal clutch feel/resistance, then disregard all of this.

1. Check your brake fluid reservoir- make sure you're not simply out of fluid and cannot disengage your clutch = you cannot change gears!

2. Check for a wet area around a small metal tube that runs near your starter. There is a rubber section that leads to this metal tube, and with time, heat, and ozone...it gets brittle and breaks. Suddenly your clutch doesn't work, and you're driving home in 1st gear/30mph/ engine SCREAMING at 6000 rpm....if you get home at all!

Best of luck!

N!

PS: For what its worth, since you are new to the 928S2, let me recommend a couple of things:

1. If you don't have a receipt stating that your timing belt has been changed within the past 45k miles/5 years, then spend the $1000 and have it done. Ask for a reputable shop in your area by posting on Rennlist.

2. Call Jim Bailey and order a new clutch line. You can do this now and have it changed out along with your brake fluid, or you wait and pay for the same item...along with the cost of a tow to a repair shop. Or you can be lucky like me, make it home...and be sore for the next two days after jacking your car up and replacing that f*cking thing!

3. There are two small rubber hose sections that transfer fuel from the metal fuel lines that run under your car to the metal fuel rails that connect with your injectors; two years ago I pulled my injectors, and was amazed at how easily these broke apart in my hand. Heat and dry-rot killed these, and I mean to tell you they broke apart like they were tubular potato chips! If they break while you are driving, then fuel @ 33 psi pours on your exhaust manifolds. This is probably un-good!

WER

Shoen, I think you'll find that (as usual) Jim B. hit the nail on the head. Noise from the clutch that stops with a bit of pressure is 99% sure to be the release bearing, I don't know about 928's but they can be installed incorrectly on other cars, causing them to fail, which will end up trashing the clutch and not really good for the transmision.

Shoen D

Ok, I checked shift ****, no real play up and down. Re-Checked the pedal, seems to work in and out just fine....

Jim, it sounds like I need to tear apart the clutch, is there a clucth kit out there for my euro model...Or is this a job best left to a proffesional.

Scott M.

Shoen;

Before you tear into the clutch, try doing a good bleed on the slave cylinder. Pushing on the pedal won't give you enough information to go by. A mal-adjusted clutch intermediate plate or lack of proper dis/engagement due to air bubbles will cause the symptoms you describe.
Unbolt the slave from the bell housing (2 bolts, 13mm head), remove resevior cap, push slave cylinder rod back into its' housing 4-5 times slooowwwly. This will fix a lot of the dragging issues you mentioned.
If that doesn't do the trick, the next least invasive manuever is to adjust the 3 "T's" on the intermediate plate. For this you really need a picture to describe it. It is simple once you see it.
Then, it would be prudent to tear the clutch apart. Although a complete clutch job can be done in 45 minutes, you need to find the problem first.

Scott

Jim bailey - 928 International

Shoen your Euro uses the same clutch package as a USA. As Scott points out the clutch job is well within the capabilities of a motivated home mechanic. It is one of the easiest clutches to change ( the second time you do it ! ) of all cars ever made. The engine stays in , the driveshaft stays in,the transmission stays in, the clutch drops out through a removable lower bell housing cover.

Shoen D

Alright Guys, Thanks for the info I will jack the shark up this weekend.

Hopefully I wont have to go the shop with a bag full of parts left over after I put it back together.

Jack '84 928s

Sometimes im happy i have an auto but sometimes not heh.

Jim bailey - 928 International

Yes Jack each has advantages it just depends on who happens to own the car when the music stops.

Shoen D

Well guys I finally got the money together to get this work done and I randomly out of the blue open the folder with all the info from my PO and i find this reseat from Classic Imports in Dallas Tx.

Minus the poping out of gear this was one of my problems

Labor Description: Car wont go into 1st, 3rd or 5th gear, and pops out of gear sometimes. Removed Trans/diff for inspection REbuilding transmission as needed with List parts and set to spec. Reinstalled Filled with Synthetic Lube, Road test.

Parts Replaced:
Synchro Ring
Reverse Gear
Trans shift fork
O-Ring
Input Shaft Bearing
Shift Sleve
Synchro Ring
Transmission Gasket
Gear Theeth ($800...YESS)
Synchro Ring
Synchro Ring
Shifting Sleeve
Needle Bearing
Gear Lube


I end up decided not to do the clutch my self as i just dont have the time nor the tools. So i end up calling the Local Forien Performace who I found on the Internet for 928's. He said it sounded like the transmission, then i find this Repair Order from the PO.

Is the clutch causing this? I took off that cap and the clutch is fully worn. Did they not fix it right?

Im in this lillte dilema, I do want to fix the clutch, but it will cost me 550 with used parts or about 1k with new parts. But if i fix the clutch and it does not fix the problem at hand (meaning i still cant drive it) I wont have enough money to fix the transmission.

Now i know some of you guys practicly sleep with these cars in your bed with you, so I will take your word over the word of some guy who is going to make a killing of me. What should I do?

GlenL

Sounds like a clutch problem. Maybe the shifter ball stud, too. Those suggestions have already been made.

Do post what the shop finds.

Shoen D

Well Took it in to the shop finaly the other day, (Been putting this off for awhile now). He says he wants to drop the rear end and is almost possitive its the transmission.

Should i just say forget about the transmission and replace the clutch....I am Lost, you guys say clutch, machanic say Tranny...Help?