Carl Fausett

Rob speaks for all of us, Tony.

Bye-the-way - I thopught you'd find this interesting... I just came in from the shop where I am supercharging a 84 L-Jet for the customer.

I am in the early stages - disassembly and removal of the stock crank pulley.

I had not yet pinned the flywheel with the flywheel tool - the engine can spin freely. I put a standard 10" ratchet on the crank pulley bolt and was gently turning the motor to line up the timing mark to TDC. Went a little too far... turned the engine back a 1/2", the crank bolt spun free in my hand!

Thats a new one!

GoRideSno

WOW!
I am just getting back to rennlist after several days. This is ugly.

That is exactly what I have been thinking about you the whole time you've had my parts.
Tony,
I wanted to give your # to the guy from excellence, looks like it's a good thing I didn't though now.
I don't care if you report problems with my system. Hell it's not perfect, I never said it was and it never will be. Nor will be Tim's, FAST, or any other. Tony you know exactly when and where I started. I sold my parts at a very low price so that people, like you, could install them and WE could better them. I would be a fool to think that I could concieve, design, develop, test, manufacture, represent, and distribute a totally new system that did not exist before completely on my own with no related experience and get it perfect.The idea was that people would install the parts as they were and make suggestions. No huge stress. It has sorta gone that way with you, but your communication style has tarnished the process. Do you not realize that all caps typed in an e-mail or message board is considered shouting? Probably every other e-mail you have sent has SHOUTING. Half the time what you were shouting about was wrong. For example the "problem" with not being able to tension the belt is due to the fact that you placed the oil fill tube on the passenger's side where it blocks proper access to the back side of the tensioner. I advised you not to place the oil fill there.
Example #2. You e-mailed me SHOUTING that the adapter plate for the SC had a gap in it and that it "WILL BEND", you didn't realize that a spacer was supposed to go in there to fill in.
I could easily come up with a few more.

I really don't think your communication style is appropriate and if you have genuine concerns then you sould come to me about them WITHOUT SHOUTING. My close friends wouldn't even send me e-mail in the tone and content you have sent.

BTW I'll be more than happy to buy all the parts back from you if you are unhappy with them.

As I stated long ago, smog pullies are $140, which I have not recieved.

I have left you a message.
Andy K

pman928

Let's work together on these issues, and if possible keep the posts less offensive and defensive. We all have the same goals on keeping and improving these wonderful cars we have. I applaud all the work in the development and improvement of the 928 from stroking, intakes, and supercharging, let's focus on the cars if possible.

Tony: I love what you have done with your car, your web site has been instrumental in keeping my beast together as well as being inspirational to tackle jobs I thought were too tough for me. Thanks again for labeling your engine at Sharktoberfest, it really helped.

Andy: I appreciate all the work you have done getting these kits together and making things work. My heart still starts racing everytime I remember the terror you inflicted on me when I rode in your supermodel!

Thanks again both of you

Pete

Tony

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Ok, a week has past and I hate having this hanging over my head, our heads and in actuality , the community’s head. So, for the sake of progress for all of us, I will take a step back, however I will justify my my reasons for what was my position and defend against things that have been said or done that pi$$ed me off.

I have no idea how you got that impression. Ive gone through all the emails I have kept and records and don’t see anything that would lead you to think that. Only over the last few months have your answers seemed short with me.


Offer is still open. None of us or our cars will get anywhere if we don’t get along.




I still don’t have an explanation why my post was deleted on your forum about the PS pulley ratio. A “data loss” doesn’t cut it .

I sincerely appreciate the price at which you sold me your parts and even more so the fact that you broke them up and worked with me on the rear inlet. Trust me, I never expected your product to be perfect, I knew what I was getting into. The idea for my fender inlet was more than enough to show me the work that was ahead of me.
I felt like I was the first one installing it so any info I could provide would be valuable and any thing that I discovered that was of vital importance I would share, but your responses the last few months seemed distant from that idea. Trust me I have list of suggestions and ideas..its how I think they are going to be received is why I’m keeping them guarded


Yeah, no huge stress at all, that’s the way I work. Show me the “every other” emails you have please, I will gladly show mine over the last 5-6motnhs . Do not make me out to be the “bad guy” by saying every other email contained YELLING in the bad sense of the form! That aint gonna fly.



Again, I have looked through all my email correspondences with you that I have kept and I don’t see the “every other email“ example you site.
As far as repeated examples of “yelling” I think I do know the 3 you may be referring to. See them below

I guess it’s a difference of interpretation which boils down to bad communication on our behalf. In my emails where I used CAPS I was merely emphasizing a point of great importance. I’m not mad or yelling at you because I’m pissed etc etc. Emphasis on a point, that’s all.

(If the pictures dont display, try this link….
http://members.rennlist.com/v1uhoh/testweb2.htm
I cant seem to get a picture posted if my life depended on it…is there still a glitch in the system Randy??)

“THIS SNOUT SUPPORT DOES NOT FIT…”



“THIS FRIKN BOLT BROKE IN HALF...”




“IM LUCKY I DIDN’T TORQUE DOWN THOSE BOLTS ON THE ADAPETR PLATE…”



The non chaulant (sp) tone of your answers you gave to those questions are what bugged me.

The snout support.
You were adamant that it was the correct one in almost a condescending way to me. I perceived it as “its the right one stupid” I finally had to send you a pic with my dial caliper info proving that it did not fit. I ended up machining it my self . I tell you this and then you “remind” me that this is not the final version.

So why send it in the first place if it isn’t the one that will fit..I didn’t understand that one at all??



Broken bolt
A bolt breaks in the supercharger mounting assembly at the TQ you provide and the answer I get to “any idea what would cause this ?“ ….over a week later is ….that’s it.
Meanwhile, I’m like, Oh,… Ok…..thanks , no big deal I guess that a bolt has broken for what ever reason. Certainly no urgency displayed on your part.



As far as the pulley.
I am aware they 140bucks, but I also was under the impression you would be bring the pulley and snout support to Sharktoberfest. You didn’t. Not a word to the fact like “hey, Tony, I have the parts your looking for with me in my car that was parked at LAX.“
I was going to ask you about them but thought, nope, im going to see how this plays out. I used my 140 bucks in my pocket to buy rounds of drinks for folks that night. I never did get to buy you a beer.
To my amazement and real disappointment you didn’t even bring any components of your kit to display and to show to others.. no table set up or anything. Perhaps my expectations were way too high of what you were planning for the event and we should have coordinated things. I know you were concerned whether I would get my car done, thanks, as was I, but I figured you were going to use it as an integral part of your promotion along with displaying your parts and product. I didn’t want to let you down. However, my car was IT!. I was pretty shocked actually and very disappointed.




That isn’t even an issue in the way I have done things. Im having no issue with setting belt tension. The method I use is crude, that’s it, but it actually works very well. If it is done right you don’t have to even touch the back of the tensioner. I made a 30sec change via a couple of welds on the pulley bolts and you no longer have to use a wrench to counter hold. . Its next to impossible to get a wrench behind there anyway! My oil set up does not interfere with the belt tension in anyway, never has.



Half the time you say…well, half the time I was right then also.
Like I said, my use of caps was not ever intended to be taken as shouting or anger by you, merely emphasizing a point or a problem. A bolt snapping in the SC is a problem, damn near warping the adapter plate because another adapter plate wasn’t sent is another…the fact that a snout support doesn’t fit after your adamant in saying it does is another.
As I said, “ Andy , IT DOES NOT FIT”




Ya know why, because that little adapter plate wasn’t sent originally was it! It was only through my near F-up and an email that you realized I don’t have that part. Do I have instructions or guidance?? Nope. It looked to me like it simply bolted together, which it did, Minor detail being that small plate was an integral part of the assembly and if the bolts were fully torque down I would have trashed my main mounting plate. Good thing I finger tightened them and checked, like I said in the email to you…probably yelling also. I sincerely thought you had made a major engineering error, not allowing for 1/8” clearance on a protruding bolt and wanted to let you know. .

Your reply
I have the emails Andy so please, “come up with some more” if you like, but Id rather move on with dialing in your set up and getting this behind us..



See my example about the snapped bolt and your genuine concerned response nearly week later

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No way, Im very happy with the set up and the way it works. Car hauls *** and looks good doing it. It will be even faster if an idea I have pans out. Its just in the way you have handled a few of my questions over the last few months and the way you go about showing of your kit …. You don’t.!!!

It was only in your responses over the last few months that I felt something was definitely “off” and I didn’t know what it was or what it was for. Perhaps i took them too personally?? Looking at a recent post you made Im starting to think I know why and getting some reason for whats going on. Reading it actually made me chuckle.



Andy, I have told you from the outset I have no intentions of developing a kit of my own to sell. Even in the very beginning when I shared with you some of my CAD illustrations I told you this is my own little project, I don’t plan on marketing it.










Any ideas that I come up with will be shared on here as always. I don’t have any “secret sauce” in what I do.
I dont need the money, I don’t need the hassle, and I certainly don’t need to loose the time It would take from my family in developing and perusing such a task. My job and tinkering with the car does that enough already. Dont feel threatened by my interest or passion for this project , that’s for sure.


Andy, you put all this effort into this project ..time .. gawd knows how much money and I end up being the only example of your product at Sharktoberfest. I would have thought you would have had a table set up with your parts all laid out as a they are shipped ..so people can see first hand what the delivered kit is and what it entails. A vendors table for yourself?? Carl had it going on! Andy, you have done to much work on this not to get the coverage you deserve. Im a good guy with an easily guilted conscious(thanks to my wife) and I know what I have said in that last post was harsh and really not good for us all , and certainly not for your work, but that was how I felt and how I perceived things from your feedback. We and our cars will get no where like this. I consider you and everyone on this list a friend and always will. I am more than willing to put this behind us and chock it up to a bad communications experience and look forward with no grudges or bad tastes. I don’t like operating like this.

Lets get my car and your product out there. “9”..Excellence…I have a bunch of others.




Since it wasn’t at Sharktoberfest and I since you have moved to Atlanta I guess I need an address then … I smog in Dec/January

Got it.


Now, lets move on.

John Veninger

Most people agree!

GoRideSno

Thank you Tony. I agree. From the very begining of my project I have considered you to be the most valuable player I could possibly have on my team.
I'm glad you're back.

I will get back to your response and give you some replies tomorrow. I will go ahead and appologize now though. I am sorry for the way I have handled most if not all this stuff.
Sincerely,
Andy K

Tony

Accepted.
Well enough,no need to respond to my posts above, theyve been launderd enough already. One is already gone
Forward .

Jim_H

Tony, Andy,

It takes much bigger men to go forward than it does to stay and argue. You guys are too important to the list to let a get in the way.

pman928

Group HUg?

Jim_H

That's a great *** in your avatar. Anymore pics?

pman928

I've been doing stair master. Can you tell? I'll have to post some tomorrow they are on another computer. Thanks for the compliment!

heinrich

Wow. I guess some posts here must have been deleted? I don't see the original "gripe" message. I'm sorry you guys went through this. Apparently the kit works well but needs some adjustment, and clearly Tony has done an almost factory-quality installation of it with some innovative improvements. Andy I'm hoping my kit doesn't have these issues .... are all the shims included and are the parts correct, ie does the snout support I have, fit?

sharkmeister85

What!!!??? You mean you don't have that thing plugged in yet! Come on H, get off your can and just do it!
Glenn

CMW

WOO HOO

heinrich

Glenn we'll get there