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Old 03-22-2019, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dr bob
Related: I was looking for fasteners on another project, and stumbled upon bolts with nylon inserts to keep them from vibrating loose. I didn't look for them in 6mm sizes, but might for next time the sump comes out for something.
Nylok nuts. Roger includes them in the stud kit for the pan. You have to account for the extra torque that it takes to turn them when torquing the pan bolt (nuts in this case). I know they are supposed to be 'one time use', like rod end nuts. But I had a pair on the back wheels of an R/C car when I was younger. They came off & went back on a zillion times with no apparent degradation of the 'lock' effect that I could tell.

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  • The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."
  • Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
  • Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
  • Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
  • The three position Lucas switch - Dim, Flicker and Off.
  • The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
  • Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices
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Great list!

Sad that it's so true.

There's one about a Lucas Refrigerator that I can't completely remember...something about oil on your kitchen floor.
I don't know the 'oil on the floor' one. I agree with Rob:

Why do Brits drink warm beer?
Because Lucas makes refrigerators too.

It's a good thing the movie maker George Lucas was not related to Joseph Lucas. If he had been, Star Wars would have been 2 hours of black movie screen.

In a quick search for Lucas jokes, I found this:

http://www.mez.co.uk/lucas.html

Scroll down towards the bottom to read the ad for 'Genuine Replacement Smoke".

It's been posted on here a few times, and I thought it would be appropriate (or inappropriate, take your pick). I didn't have to go look for it, it was there.
Make sure you read the questions.


Old 03-23-2019, 12:58 AM
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Looks just like the kind I can buy for my Delorean..

https://deloreanindustries.com/12-oil-pan-gasket/

Old 03-23-2019, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by merchauser
you can still get glyptal from eastwood. great product
https://www.eastwood.com/glyptal-red-brush-on-1-qt.html

Id rather it transfer heat to the air cooled block better.

We dont lack oil generally, and when we do, it's not stuck to the block.
Old 03-23-2019, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NoVector
Cover all the bases lol

What, no pascha?
Old 03-23-2019, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by granprixweiss928
Looks just like the kind I can buy for my Delorean..

https://deloreanindustries.com/12-oil-pan-gasket/

Same idea (gaskets made of fibrous material have been around...as long as cars), just a different material manufacturer.
Old 03-23-2019, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kiwiokie
What, no pascha?
Say no more, fam

Old 03-24-2019, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
.....Along with a brand new design 14 pin loom with concours appropriate materials, hand built by the master, himself. Also for your use/critique.
This is very good news
Old 03-24-2019, 12:51 PM
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Rennlist is having issues sending post notifications. So I didn’t see this until now.

Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Seems that the pan hole location isn't the same as the block...and there is quite a bit of variance from year to year, pan to pan, and block to block.
​​I’m shocked, shocked to find out that there’s wide variances...

....There's a rumor that one is coming your way, for you to play with and critique.
.....Along with a brand new design 14 pin loom with concours appropriate materials, hand built by the master, himself. Also for your use/critique.
Excellent! I’ll have the guy that gets the mail bring them right to me!
Old 03-24-2019, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928


​​I’m shocked, shocked to find out that there’s wide variances...

The oil pan and block are amazingly.

I'm assembling an '89 GT engine and just for giggles, I put 5 studs in the rear 5 pan bolt holes. Not only are they not in a straight line, they even "lean" in different directions....they are not 90 degrees to the pan rail!
While it's obvious that this was not done on a CNC machine, I'd always figured this was done on some sort of a very precise machine.

These 5 holes look like Ray Charles used a center punch to locate them and Stevie Wonder stepped in to drill and tap them at the next tree.

It's been so long since I made my pan spacers, I completely forgot that this area was so "variable".

I remember, now, why the holes in the oil pan are 8.5mm while the hardware is only 6mm!
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
While it's obvious that this was not done on a CNC machine, I'd always figured this was done on some sort of a very precise machine.
I assume that there were jigs. And the quality of parts out of the jibs depended upon who, that day, was working.

I didn't figure the oil pan bolts for the block were done on a jig. But, I know the fuel rails were. No two fuel rails are identical.

Same for the threaded holes for the Hall sensor in the right side backing plate.

The holes in the chassis for the 'ears' on the belly pans were totally done by eye.


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I can also recall when the threads were not wonderful. It is tempting to just recenter them (as best we can) and retap.
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Originally Posted by worf928
I assume that there were jigs. And the quality of parts out of the jibs depended upon who, that day, was working.

I didn't figure the oil pan bolts for the block were done on a jig. But, I know the fuel rails were. No two fuel rails are identical.

Same for the threaded holes for the Hall sensor in the right side backing plate.

The holes in the chassis for the 'ears' on the belly pans were totally done by eye.
I think that this is what they are talking about when they say: "Hand built".



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