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Old 03-20-2019, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The Forgotten On View Post
My favorite part about old british motorcycles is that the casting of the metal can be so bad and porous that the oil leaks through the metal itself lol.

I guess I gotta wait to see when you make these available to the rest of us. I think I need one for my 81's new engine
I think they used the same metal casting in my old Austin Healey 3000s and Jaguar XKEs.........they always leaked. And of course, Lucas electrics were part of the curse of British automobiles.
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:08 PM
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Green gaskets are not alcohol resistant.

Regarding Lucas - I thought it would be funny if I used a Lucas-themed avatar on the Tesla forum, something I discovered in the Austin-Healey. It's a young crowd; seems to have largely gone unnoticed.

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Old 03-20-2019, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Adk46 View Post
Green gaskets are not alcohol resistant.
Does that mean we can't drink beer while installing green gaskets?
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:41 PM
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My solution on my '67 XKE was to paint the inside of the lower block with Glyptol, a GE coating intended for generators. Hint came from a "how to hot-rod the small-block Chevy" book by some guy named Smokey somebody. The goal was to smooth the surface so the oil falls back to the pan faster, and a fringe benefit is that it seals porous metal castings. On the XKE, the cast sump was "honed" on a granite plate with valve grinding paste to make the mating surface flat, then use no gasket. Dry as a bone.

I'm not sure the Glyptol is still available thirty-plus years later.


The scourge of my British bike experience was keeping things like clutch adjuster plugs in my Norton Commando. The "isolastic engine mounts" limited the vibration damage to the engine pretty well. Common Loctite wasn't enough to keep the plugs in though; I ended up gluing them in with weatherstrip adhesive (thick contact cement) similar to what we used to glue 356 cases together.

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Finding the "correct" sump gasket may be like Yeti or unicorn hunting. A firm enough core to allow torque to be used to get the bolt lengths even. A soft enough surface that the gasket will comply with the sump and girdle flanges, including that scratch made while cleaning off the gasket shellac the last guy used. Amazingly, the cork-neoprene composite gasket covers these requirements nicely, except it doesn't last forever. Plus the low tension on the bolts means they are prone to self-loosening. Enter thread-locker, or Hylomar sealant. A little non-hardening gasket sealant on the threads is enough to keep the bolt from falling out, yet allows a certain amount of adjustment as the cork gasket dries out over twenty-plus years.

One thing we never had to worry about with the Jaguar was the cork sump gasket drying out.
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:46 PM
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Related: I was looking for fasteners on another project, and stumbled upon bolts with nylon inserts to keep them from vibrating loose. I didn't look for them in 6mm sizes, but might for next time the sump comes out for something.
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And I just thought that they were just marking their territory
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Flash View Post
Ah, this is option code M722 "Gaskets Matching Interior Leather." Glad Greg in his professionalism got the correct gasket for this customer!

@ Rob E. : I am surprised you didn't know that...
I don’t care what planet you’re from. That —^ right there is some funny $h!t.

Greg, when:
- do we get the whole story?
- can we order these?

I have two engines apart that want to know.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by polecat702 View Post
Ariel's overheat badly. No wonder it's been out of the frame 20 years. I always thought they looked cool, unique sound, but they're not practical, never cared for the plunger frame ether.
Yes, they all needed oil coolers...and cool weather to ride them.
"Put it away for the summer" doesn't seem quite right for a motorcycle....
But the sound they make!!

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Old 03-20-2019, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Forgotten On View Post
My favorite part about old british motorcycles is that the casting of the metal can be so bad and porous that the oil leaks through the metal itself lol.
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The metal problem is terrible. Every stud or bolt hole needs an insert...and there didn't used to be thread repair kits in British Standard or Witworth...not sure about today.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra View Post
  • The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."
  • Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.
  • Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
  • Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
  • The three position Lucas switch - Dim, Flicker and Off.
  • The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.
  • Lucas is an acronym for Loose Unsoldered Connections and Splices
Great list!

Sad that it's so true.

There's one about a Lucas Refrigerator that I can't completely remember...something about oil on your kitchen floor.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:25 PM
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Lucas fridges are why the British drink their beer at room temp.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928 View Post

I don’t care what planet you’re from. That —^ right there is some funny $h!t.

Greg, when:
- do we get the whole story?
- can we order these?

I have two engines apart that want to know.
According to the dark web (another Lucas invention), these are prototypes. There are five of them.

The "hole location" is being worked on...thus the hole size that is the same as the pan these were sized from.

Seems that the pan hole location isn't the same as the block...and there is quite a bit of variance from year to year, pan to pan, and block to block.

Cork and silicone are more forgiving than "trick" fibers.

The one in this picture is staying where it is at, for testing purposes. Since the holes line up (more or less) with the oil pan, it should be fine. Zero sealant or anything on the stock hardware, for this one.

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....There's a rumor that one is coming your way, for you to play with and critique.
.....Along with a brand new design 14 pin loom with concours appropriate materials, hand built by the master, himself. Also for your use/critique.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dr bob View Post
My solution on my '67 XKE was to paint the inside of the lower block with Glyptol, a GE coating intended for generators. Hint came from a "how to hot-rod the small-block Chevy" book by some guy named Smokey somebody. The goal was to smooth the surface so the oil falls back to the pan faster,

I'm not sure the Glyptol is still available thirty-plus years later.
you can still get glyptal from eastwood. great product
https://www.eastwood.com/glyptal-red-brush-on-1-qt.html

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Old 03-20-2019, 03:30 PM
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Hmmm.....that color gasket will be -1 point at the concourse
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD View Post
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The metal problem is terrible. Every stud or bolt hole needs an insert...and there didn't used to be thread repair kits in British Standard or Witworth...not sure about today.
My Brough Superior SS 100, is all Witworth, except axel nuts and the girder front forks is British Standard. Matchless engine and transmission, it does not leak.
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