JayPoorJay

Good Morning All.
Good news is that she passed title inspection yesterday (from salvage to operating) and her new title is in process. After a good amount of hard work, swimming NYS bureaucracy, she is officially mine.

My question has to do with the feel of the stick, to try to get a sense of what is "normal" in shifting thru the gears during normal driving conditions. I've never driven a porsche - nevermind a 928... For me, although its not TOOO bad, there seems to be a bit too much play in the stick and not a sure or smooth ride between say 1st and 2nd, 2nd and 3rd - and so on. The gears seem "close" together in the sticks travel in ways with messiness in between. Slop is a word that comes to mind.

Is this normal? Is there an adjustment that can be made at the shifter to tighten this up - or do I just need to get accustomed over time? What say you?

*** I need to start searching better before I post. I'm finding answers now on the forum. Still, if anyone would like to lead in the direction of specific parts (or adjustment) for the fix,,, that would be greatly appreciated... Sorry for redundant posts.

beran earms

Sloppiness is never an option. Try searching shifter ball cup.

Strosek Ultra

https://www.google.com/search?q=slop...ih=605&dpr=1.5

http://www.928intl.com/tips/artcl_04.html

http://jenniskens.livedsl.nl/technic...5/MyTip579.htm

JayPoorJay

Great, Ultra!!!
Thank You...

Now I will need more familiar with the descriptions of Mr. Gibble... Hands on is the only way it seems.

928S MN

I replaced both the front ball cup and the rear coupler because it was sloppy just like you describe.
Afterwards all the sloppiness was gone.
Hardest things were getting to that front ball cup and also replacing the rear coupler boot. Did mine without dropping the torque tube. Invented a couple of new swear words.

jetson8859

If you really want to improve the shifting I would get one of Hans new shifters. It eliminates the front ball cup completely and adds a nice solid shift feel. He has two versions and one can be installed without removing the torque tube. I put the version that you don't have to drop TT in my 90GT and it is a much improved experience.

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...8-shifter.html

JayPoorJay

HellO... Thanks all. I have my card out. I have a 1986 (not 86.5) 928...
If to start - I only want to replace the nylon cup/coupler inside of the shift mechanism, which would it be.
I want to make sure I get the right thing. LINKS WELCOME

Call me lazy, lol

z driver 88t

^^^^^THIS. I had replaced only the front cup, just to have the rear one go out 6 months later. Do both. It's not too hard of a job and the shifting action will feel brand new.

JayPoorJay

Hey All... A big yes,,, x2,,, to the "^^^^THIS" idea.

I'm confident I'm being led in the right direction in replacing the components involved. The shifter linkage, bushings, ball cups and such. At the same time I'm a NEWBIE to the 928.... I'm not finding many in situ photos, good diagrams - and 928 videos are like 30 seconds long on the subject.

I read thru the Gibble link x3. Its GREAT but still leaves me a bit concerned. This is work that I can and will do (looking forward to doing) BUT what I worry about is my bebe being an S2 (or an S3 if there is such a thing) and a 1986 and the write up by Gibble for an S4 and an 87. Are the directions for the 2 the same? Exactly the same? I really get worried about going in not having the right information and parts - after having everything apart.

Speaking of parts - can anyone, or is anyone willing, to type out a list with the SPECIFIC names of the parts I will need to do the bushings in the stick itself,,, the bush in the ball socket,,, and the coupler link etc - and anything else you think I might need...?

Maybe I just need to get under there and and start pulling things apart BUT I would feel a bit more confident with a bit more direction, I think.
Many Thanks.

Mrmerlin

for the parts your replacing the instructions will cover the pre 87 model

Wisconsin Joe

The shifter is the same.

You have what is commonly called an 'S3". 85 & 86 US cars were never officially called that by Porsche, but it is the first 32v motor, with the big 'pipe organ' intake. Very different from the US "S" that preceded it. Also very different from the Euro "S" & "S2". Those have a 16v motor & 'spider' intake.

If you want a list of parts (and an exploded view pic) of the shifter setup, go to the PCNA (Porsche corporate) site. Follow the links to the 'classic' site and go to the parts catalog (PET). You can download it for free. There should be a link to it in the New Visitor sticky thread.
Most of us have a copy. It's very handy & helpful for working on the cars.

SwayBar

I have a Hans shifter which I bought for my GT racecar.

However, I never installed it because prior to it arriving I installed Carl's solid front ballcup replacement, and it totally transformed the shifting so much that I'm reluctant to replace it with Hans' unit.

With that said, for a street car, a new stock ballcup bushing will be more than good enough for your needs, as well as being the easiest to replace, and will probably last another 20+ years.

icsamerica

Hey Jay... Jaguar Jonny here from SI. Review this thread, specifically post number 13. I found this very illuminating and this is the procedure that worked for me.

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...to-access.html

Also lopped 3/4 of an inch off the top of the shifter and enlongated the distance between the 2 holes at the bottom by a 1/4 of an inch.

I used these to hold the shifter in place so I could get the E clips back on.
https://www.harborfreight.com/15-inc...ers-97609.html

JayPoorJay

I'm pleased...Waiting for the snow to melt...
My girl is an EX Detroit Machinist turned Private equity somthin or other. Her and I will work on this!
Thank you for everything. I'm GLAD your a Porsche guy, too. Glad youre in NYC. Glad to connect some day soon!?

JayPoorJay

Hey All...

ICS - sorry for that last post. The "quote" section (which contains my reply to your post) got all messy... I was replying on my phone. Anyways, what you sent me is exactly what I need! Deep bow, much appreciated. Question: In modifying the gear shift lever (#14) are you saying that beyond shortening the lever you were also able to make changes to its holes,,, its connection point - for more leverage I would guess? How, when the connection point looks to be in the design of the lever. Did you shave of the forged steel channel/bore off where the "plain bearing" is inserted? Then what? Re-attached/re-welded? Very interested in this change.

So, I'm ready to order a few parts. I've found the PET (all 500 pages of it) and am looking it over for what I'll be needing. Pls see attachments.... I need to make sure what I'm looking at is the right set of diagrams >>> if someone could confirm I'd be grateful. Is this set of diagrams and the descriptions for my version of the 1986 Porsche 928?

If so, unlike other cars I've worked on with a manual, the way Porsche describes things seem "generic" in naming the parts. Maybe its a German thing, haha? Yes it names the part and part number but it seems the NAME listed for the part doesn't describe it, exactly. For instance #2(two) in the diagram says "BEARING BODY" where the part on Ebay or Online Parts stores call the same part "Manual Transmission Shift Rod Coupling"... Another example is #8... The "Convave WASHER" description for what looks like a STRUT MOUNT in the front shock/suspension diagram. I would like to take a stab at replacing mounts as well. Is #8 Concave WASHER a/the STRUT MOUNT? (see attachment)...That said, in this early stage I can't help but being unsure about ordering parts. I guess I'll be asking until I get a bit more comfortable. Anyways,,,

My list so far looks like this:
#7, #4, #2, #15 and #17... For the play in the stick,,, will this mostly resolve my problem? If not what else should I be doing?
EDIT - will I need 4 #15 bushing inserts???

#7 in the diagram is a $60-70 dollar part. BUT, I thought I read somewhere that a bushing/cup insert could be found, where only the nylon/plastic piece is replaced (I would guess much cheaper). Does anyone have a reference for that? I haven't been able to find it.

All help, suggestions and directions are MUCH appreciated.