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Bottom feeder feasts on 89GT. It was -- tasty

Old 01-23-2019, 10:05 PM
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I should be able to fix that with a soldering gun, and some two part epoxy to keep it in place. Don't get rid of the fan.
Old 01-25-2019, 01:10 AM
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I should be able to fix that with a soldering gun, and some two part epoxy to keep it in place. Don't get rid of the fan.
I didn't get rid of it. But I did go get another fan and install it in the cowling. It's 3-10mm nuts with washers to remove and reinstall.

BTW, I'm using a piece of cardboard the size of the radiator, an air nozzle chuck, and a shop vac to remove that heavy layer of dust between the condenser coil and the radiator. I'll use the air nozzle to blow from the front of the condenser coil and the vacuum to remove the dust as it dislodges. Then I'll use the air from the back side of the radiator and again simultaneously vacuum. I think this approach will minimize the amount of dust and filth that is blown free that would be trapped by either the radiator fins or the condenser coil fins.
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Got the flu shot. Got the flu and it kicked me hard. I can't imagine how sick I would have been had I not got the vaccine.

Before I got sick, I removed the clutch slave from the housing and depressed the rod into the slave as far as it would go. Held it there to let any bubbles begin traveling up the line then slowly released. Repeated this several times and reinstalled the slave to the housing. The clutch works fine again.

Tested the fan motors in the cowling. Both seem to be working fine now.

Just waiting on the final remnants of the flu to fly away and the weather to be more typical DFW winter weather (less wet and more temp)to continue
Old 02-11-2019, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by soontobered84
Got the flu shot. Got the flu and it kicked me hard. I can't imagine how sick I would have been had I not got the vaccine.

Before I got sick, I removed the clutch slave from the housing and depressed the rod into the slave as far as it would go. Held it there to let any bubbles begin traveling up the line then slowly released. Repeated this several times and reinstalled the slave to the housing. The clutch works fine again.

Tested the fan motors in the cowling. Both seem to be working fine now.

Just waiting on the final remnants of the flu to fly away and the weather to be more typical DFW winter weather (less wet and more temp)to continue
We can talk about this in Offtopic, but you may not have gotten the flu at all. It is at least, in aggregate, useless. At most, it may be harming us.
Old 02-11-2019, 08:27 PM
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John and I have entered into a bit of debate on the belt and water pump. We've inspected the belt path, and for us, it appears that the car has an almost new belt on it, and both gears look very good. Although we haven't seen the pump, it's not leaking, and no unusual noise.

We're tempted to start driving the car on this belt and pump and defer the job for a while. The risk of course is catastrophic water pump fail, leading to belt fail and valve crash. The work and cost is not trivial, and right now there's no indication that the car needs either. We do know it's been sitting undriven for several years. Of course, the obvious answer is to tear it down and do it, but would like to delay for a while. Hmmmmm

I've repaired the other fan, so it's ready to go in or back in stock. I've been sick since Dec26th and it's getting very tiring. Hope to be back on my feet by this wknd.
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Originally Posted by docmirror
The risk of course is catastrophic water pump fail, leading to belt fail and valve crash. The work and cost is not trivial, and right now there's no indication that the car needs either. We do know it's been sitting undriven for several years. Of course, the obvious answer is to tear it down and do it, but would like to delay for a while. Hmmmm.
Your comment has me wondering if someone as mechanically adept as you who has visually inspected the water pump, timing belt, tensioner and cam gears, and has decided to postpone a complete rebuild and just drive the car....has ever experienced belt failure.
Assuming that capable eyes have inspected the system and experienced ears would be listening for telltale sounds, wouldn’t there be adequate visual or audible warning well before a failure?


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Originally Posted by JPTL

Your comment has me wondering if someone as mechanically adept as you who has visually inspected the water pump, timing belt, tensioner and cam gears, and has decided to postpone a complete rebuild and just drive the car....has ever experienced belt failure.
Assuming that capable eyes have inspected the system and experienced ears would be listening for telltale sounds, wouldn’t there be adequate audible warning well before a failure?
I won't speak for Doc, but as someone who has experienced 3 separate water pump failures, mine were all preceded by the inability to either keep enough coolant in the cooling system (the Stepson and the blue 89) or the inability to keep ANY coolant in the system (the GTS, which upon first startup in the garage one morning dumped virtually all coolant onto the garage floor). No warnings were issued by any of the engines of impending failure and all had functioning stock tensioners at the time with all bells and warnings available and functional. No valves were bent on any engine and no damage was diagnosed.

To my knowledge, there was no audible warning prior to the failure. The failure in all three cases described here was the pump seal YMMV
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Originally Posted by docmirror
John and I have entered into a bit of debate on the belt and water pump. We've inspected the belt path, and for us, it appears that the car has an almost new belt on it, and both gears look very good. Although we haven't seen the pump, it's not leaking, and no unusual noise.

We're tempted to start driving the car on this belt and pump and defer the job for a while. The risk of course is catastrophic water pump fail, leading to belt fail and valve crash. The work and cost is not trivial, and right now there's no indication that the car needs either. We do know it's been sitting undriven for several years. Of course, the obvious answer is to tear it down and do it, but would like to delay for a while. Hmmmmm

I've repaired the other fan, so it's ready to go in or back in stock. I've been sick since Dec26th and it's getting very tiring. Hope to be back on my feet by this wknd.
My car has sat for a year at a time, and a bit longer. Main reason I got one of Ed's Guardian pumps and Ken's tensioners. So if the pump seizes or whatever, no crashed valves, just change the pump, and belt.
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Originally Posted by polecat702
My car has sat for a year at a time, and a bit longer. Main reason I got one of Ed's Guardian pumps and Ken's tensioners. So if the pump seizes or whatever, no crashed valves, just change the pump, and belt.
Joe, I have a Guardian pump on my GTS and I have ordered one for the GT. I believe it to be cheap insurance even though none of my water pump failures were of the seizure kind. Doc's water failure was. Doc and I are just mulling the time frame when we want to install it.
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[QUOTE=soontobered84;15632891]Joe, I have a Guardian pump on my GTS and I have ordered one for the GT. I believe it to be cheap insurance even though none of my water pump failures were of the seizure kind. Doc's water failure was. Doc and I are just mulling the time frame when we want to install it.

As far as I'm concerned, Ed's pump and Ken's tensioner is cheap insurance. Ed's pump is way cheaper than a Porsche pump, and a better product IMHO. Ken's tensioner, is newer technology. Remember Greg Nettles, bless his memory, he called me and told me that he had pulled his timing belt and there was no sign of wear on his timing gears. I just went with Greg's recommendations. and it was good advice.

I'd just do the WP/TB for the piece of mind, and use Ken's tensioner too. Cheap insurance.
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Edited my post - meant to add 'visual' to cover coolant loss.
I'm curious if anyone has experienced catastrophic t/b failure but got no visual or audible sounds just prior to the moment of failure. I witnessed t/b failure from the w/p pulley migrating off of the shaft on John V's track car during a race. Many of us heard the misfiring from the cam timing being out of whack before it threw the belt. Today I'd consider that an audible warning but at the time I certainly didn't make the connection (not sure if anyone did). And I'm not sure if w/p pulley failure is too common these days.
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Originally Posted by JPTL

Your comment has me wondering if someone as mechanically adept as you who has visually inspected the water pump, timing belt, tensioner and cam gears, and has decided to postpone a complete rebuild and just drive the car....has ever experienced belt failure.
Assuming that capable eyes have inspected the system and experienced ears would be listening for telltale sounds, wouldn’t there be adequate visual or audible warning well before a failure?

I have experienced two belt failures on S4 cars. Neither resulted in a valve crash, as I was able to shut the engine off and coast to a stop in time. Both were water pump seizures, and both left gobs of belt dust on the front as the belt shredded. I had no audible warning of belt failure, I smelled some rubber, saw the tension warning, and turned the key off, as I shifted into N.
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Good grief, that's a steal!
That is a nice plane. I keep thinking about buying a Musketeer, but that's much more plane you got and a reasonable cost (wonder what a Sierra is going for). What's the time since overhaul? Oh I see 442. That's not bad, easily half the service life left.

The 928 is a good find. I remember driving my car back from PA, it ran better with the heat on (due to leaking pots among other things) but it did make it...

AC is important in the winter: I've found that it can defog the inside of the car far more quickly than with engine heat alone. The AC is out on my 944S and I really miss it.
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Originally Posted by docmirror
I have experienced two belt failures on S4 cars. Neither resulted in a valve crash, as I was able to shut the engine off and coast to a stop in time. Both were water pump seizures, and both left gobs of belt dust on the front as the belt shredded. I had no audible warning of belt failure, I smelled some rubber, saw the tension warning, and turned the key off, as I shifted into N.
In these cases the belt didn't fail. The water pumps failed. These were not belt failures as a primary cause. Were the belts actually 'broken' upon removal or just really chewed up???

I think we do the community a disservice by the casual use of 'belt failure' as a term when referring to a failure other than the belt itself.

This too casual usage seems to perpetuate the wide-spread-outside-of-928-cognoscenti-world the false impression that the timing belt is the only thing that needs to be changed during a belt service when in fact it is usually the least critical item that needs to be serviced, replaced or at least inspected.

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Originally Posted by worf928
In these cases the belt didn't fail. The water pumps failed. These were not belt failures as a primary cause. Were the belts actually 'broken' upon removal or just really chewed up???

I think we do the community a disservice by the casual use of 'belt failure' as a term when referring to a failure other than the belt itself.

This too casual usage seems to perpetuate the wide-spread-outside-of-928-cognoscenti-world the false impression that the timing belt is the only thing that needs to be changed during a belt service when in fact it is usually the least critical item that needs to be serviced, replaced or at least inspected.
Yup, correct. I did not experience any 'belt' failures. I did experience 2 WP failures. The belts did not break, but skidded on the WP pulley creating a huge mess, but no valve crash.

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