Classic Porsche came to visit 928Srus
11-29-2018, 06:04 PM
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Roger..catching up..this is awesome.
I have -no- idea on if it helped, but Katie and I dropped the 928 parts problem an your name on the People responsible for the Classics program at PCNA at her graduation in August.
They were glad to hear of the "interest"....at least...
I have -no- idea on if it helped, but Katie and I dropped the 928 parts problem an your name on the People responsible for the Classics program at PCNA at her graduation in August.
They were glad to hear of the "interest"....at least...
11-29-2018, 06:59 PM
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Living thru the rebuild of my 86.5 which required lots and lots of OEM or OM parts I watched Greg Brown roll his eyes on the price increase of all parts. Take a look at GTS brakes today vs a year ago. We are a bit suspect that the higher prices go to VW for the Diesel debacle. Yes OEM parts are expensive, but what's the alternative? Thank you Roger
As I make a living, manufacturing in China I can attest that their recent environmental laws are in some ways more strict than ours. I can't find anyone that will do cad plating any more. Todays smog index is 170 and this is a good day, However they are addicted to coal.
As I make a living, manufacturing in China I can attest that their recent environmental laws are in some ways more strict than ours. I can't find anyone that will do cad plating any more. Todays smog index is 170 and this is a good day, However they are addicted to coal.
11-29-2018, 07:41 PM
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Remember it well. Those bearings cost a lot of money.
11-30-2018, 09:43 AM
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Seriously, we most likely all agree that a "sensible" price hike for a given part number can be justified when the quality is, at the very least, at the same level with the original part. It seems that we are several on here who have noticed first hand that the prices of many parts have increased while their quality has gone down. This is just not acceptable, regardless of one's political orientations. Folks who cannot see anything wrong with this also probably do not mind paying more taxes when the quality of their public services goes down, and this is a rather Socialist stance in my book, which is to accept to pay a tax for no other reason than "because Porsche". Well yes, we can always ponder this judgment and consider the costs involved to restart a new lifecycle for a part NLA, but considering how much I have spent I do not feel much embarrassment in expressing as an end user and a responsible customer who supports the brand that I will not try to find excuses when the price for a remade part has increased unreasonably. A good example I think is the lifters for the 2V heads. The price is ridiculous now and I have lost count of people inlcuding me who have destroyed several as for some reason they are a lot softer than the original lifters - poor quality, full stop.
I have worked mostly in the Automotive Industry and from what I have seen over the years and as I said in my first post, OEMs do make profits through their after-sale department. The lower the price they outsource components at, the higher they will price them to their customers. Although my experience is not among "premium" OEM brands such as Porsche, it makes sense to me that they also make higher profits with hardware parts suchs as bolts which they can resell for say 20 times or more than what they buy them for than with "complex" components like ECUs which cost more out of the door of the suppliers.
11-30-2018, 10:57 AM
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I don't think anyone is happy with price hikes or lower quality or denying that it happens.
It's a simple case of why bothering to bitch about something we have zero control over, and at least be happy Porsche is acknowledging our cars exist and are bringing some very much needed parts (like fuel lines) back to the market. At least I hope the fuel lines are on the list.
From my point of view and experience in the auto industry, lower quality 928 parts are still higher quality than many parts on new cars.
Seriously, we don't need to keep beating this dead horse. If the options are no parts or new parts that cost more that might be lower quality than the one that lasted 40 years, I know which door I'm goign to open.
It's a simple case of why bothering to bitch about something we have zero control over, and at least be happy Porsche is acknowledging our cars exist and are bringing some very much needed parts (like fuel lines) back to the market. At least I hope the fuel lines are on the list.
From my point of view and experience in the auto industry, lower quality 928 parts are still higher quality than many parts on new cars.
Seriously, we don't need to keep beating this dead horse. If the options are no parts or new parts that cost more that might be lower quality than the one that lasted 40 years, I know which door I'm goign to open.
11-30-2018, 11:30 AM
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I don't think anyone is happy with price hikes or lower quality or denying that it happens.
It's a simple case of why bothering to bitch about something we have zero control over, and at least be happy Porsche is acknowledging our cars exist and are bringing some very much needed parts (like fuel lines) back to the market. At least I hope the fuel lines are on the list.
From my point of view and experience in the auto industry, lower quality 928 parts are still higher quality than many parts on new cars.
Seriously, we don't need to keep beating this dead horse. If the options are no parts or new parts that cost more that might be lower quality than the one that lasted 40 years, I know which door I'm goign to open.
It's a simple case of why bothering to bitch about something we have zero control over, and at least be happy Porsche is acknowledging our cars exist and are bringing some very much needed parts (like fuel lines) back to the market. At least I hope the fuel lines are on the list.
From my point of view and experience in the auto industry, lower quality 928 parts are still higher quality than many parts on new cars.
Seriously, we don't need to keep beating this dead horse. If the options are no parts or new parts that cost more that might be lower quality than the one that lasted 40 years, I know which door I'm goign to open.
Classic just released a 951 fuel hose that has been NLA for, well, forever. Looks to be a much better quality part and I'd hate to ask how much it costs now. So I'm sure those are on the list.
No, I don't like the price point that some of these things are coming out at, but I also know what it takes to retool to reproduce a part in limited quantities. Prices would be lower if they were in higher production quantities but I'm sure Porsche has looked at how many requests they get for a certain part and figure out how many they are likely to sell over the next decade. Use cam gears on the 32v cars for example, just how many of the new ones are going to need replacement in 30 years, I'm guessing next to none so they don't need to produce 30,000 of them. I am happy as hell that they are producing them though.
11-30-2018, 11:42 AM
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One thing in particular is that no new fasteners are plated to the same quality as before. Bolts that were OE yellow-zinc are now unplated or barely-plated unchromated zinc. Black fasteners that were black zinc OE are just-barely black phosphate and actually begin to rust in the bag.
And on the subject of fasteners there are a bunch that are NLA for which there are no dimensionally-identical (or even kinda-close) after-market versions.
Oh, and there are fasteners you can order which result in a bag with the right part number that contain a part that is dimensionally different from the OE and that can’t be used.
Eric/Hacker has a great plater over in Wisconsin if you need one...
11-30-2018, 01:36 PM
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Let me be clear that when I write about fasteners I am NOT writing about fasteners that have alternative sources. I’ve posted links, on many occasions, to suppliers of various fasteners that are either identical or functionally-identical to OE fasteners. I ain’t talkin’ about M6x20 bolts and M8 wahsers.
There are however, many dozen fasteners for which I have found no source other than Porsche. For example: low-profile head Alan bolts, the big sizes of non-worm-type clamps, etc.
There are however, many dozen fasteners for which I have found no source other than Porsche. For example: low-profile head Alan bolts, the big sizes of non-worm-type clamps, etc.
11-30-2018, 01:42 PM
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Plating outcome, in terms of appearance and to some extent, longevity, is all about the prep before you bring it to the platers. This is especially true with used pieces.
11-30-2018, 05:22 PM
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Sorry to offend, I missed your comment and was only offering an alternative because you were continuing to berate the plating on products you were receiving... 
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11-30-2018, 05:44 PM
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The complaint is that for many 928-specific bits (fasteners or otherwise (e.g. clamps, brackets, etc.)) ordered *new* from Porsche, I have to get them plated because now, unlike in the past, they are untreated or poorly treated. I process 1000s of bits a year now for plating so it’s not an issue... except for paying Porsche prices for things for which I have no alternative supplier that then require additional work and dollars to make them right. Usually the parts that come off a 928 can be processed and plated. However, if the car has been stored in a salty swamp, lots of bits won’t survive processing and have to be replaced.
This was actually the minor part of my complaint. The bigger one was ordering something and getting a part that can’t work at all. This has happened multiple times this year for obscure tiny bits. I’ve resorted to acquiring used bits in bulk and not even attempting to order new even though the fully-accounted cost of getting tiny used bits is more than new.
11-30-2018, 06:22 PM
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https://www.kdfasteners.com/custom-fasteners.html
I have zero idea if it would be any cheaper than Porsche, but might be worth the ask.
11-30-2018, 08:57 PM
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Have you ever looked into a custom fastener manufacture? Here is one for example:
https://www.kdfasteners.com/custom-fasteners.html
I have zero idea if it would be any cheaper than Porsche, but might be worth the ask.
https://www.kdfasteners.com/custom-fasteners.html
I have zero idea if it would be any cheaper than Porsche, but might be worth the ask.
A long-long time ago in a rennlist a decade or more away, there was a custom run made of the weird-a$$ed S4 cam cover bolts. In the end they were about 70-80% of the price of new, but much of the labor was free.
This topic has derailed Roger’s thread.
Let’s get back to washer filler necks and other NLA parts that most everyone may need.
