Speedtoys

Their design is abrasive below ~450degrees, then they start to operate adhesively, but street driving never ever sees that temperature.

Sport "euro" OEM car pads tend to do that to, but have a lower shift temperature.


I have seen, in person...a Saturday at the track on HP+, followed by a misty night (Laguna), an Sunday morning a big brown stain down the sides of a white car..from rotor particles rusting and now glued to the car they were on...the wheels were junk too after that, without a stripping and refinishing at least.

Speedtoys

Still steel. Wont change much. Maybe he's lucky and new rings are cheaper than OE rotors.

hacker-pschorr

The combination is lighter and the car stops like it dropped anchor from some very impressive speeds. That's all he cares about.

Per NHRA rules he needs a parachute to legally run down the strip again, with DOT tires.

The Forgotten On

I personally like Ferodo DS2500 pads. They stop the car fantastically for a street pad and don't squeal too bad normally, but I ran without pad dampers.

They're also kind to the rotors and instead dust a bit more. The dust isn't sticky and comes off very easily.

They are definitely not cheap though...

buccicone

What do these pad dampeners look like?

FredR

They are a small disc about 1 inch in diameter with a sticky goo on them that adheres to the back of the pad- they are held in position by a base that pushes into the pistons

Speedtoys

They isolate the pad/rotor from the caliper and prevent the resonant "skip" that the pad will do on the rotor face, that is heard as squeaking/ringing of the rotor.

The caliper doesnt -cause- this, but its now just slightly "softly" separated from the rest of the hardware..which changes how they want to transfer and amplify the initial vibration.

IcemanG17

Might as well kick in my .02 on this topic

when I was learning to drive on track in Sharky (88S4 auto) I had stock Textar? S4 pads. They seemed fine, did dust a bit but never faded on track. When I build the Lemons racer I ran Raybestos ST43 in front and Hawk Black in rear.....amazing braking with only standard "S" brakes...could out brake any car out there no issue and got amazing pad life. In lemons trim on street tires fronts lasted 57 hours on track! When pushed harder on slicks still lasted 28 hours. On casper with GTS front brakes the St43 all around were a little lacking.....didn't fade but didn't have the bite-power I wanted. Upgrading front to St41 fixed that.....

On my Scion FRS street car....brakes SUCKED....horrible on track. Could only generate maybe .9G and would last 10-15 minutes before horrible pad fade kicks in (pedal stays high and firm, car just won't stop no matter how hard you push) Clearly the wrong pad for track work....unpredictable too...sometimes it would work and bite hard....other times it wouldn't....awful. So I put on a set of ST43 all around.....AMAZING on track...power and bite...1.2G the limit of the tires....never faded ever....BUT sucked awful on the street squeal and dust were insane and barely worked when cold. But thats the price you pay....

My Miata has the optional brembo brakes and they are pretty good, but I can tell it also will have pad issues if pushed hard, not horrible like the Scion but a simple pad upgrade would fix that car on track too

GregBBRD

I had to laugh when Jeff started this thread....knowing full well where the thread would go.

Jeff asked a specific question regarding stock pads....and it turned into a "what do you use", "what do you sell", "what does Todd use" fanboyfest.

I'm guessing that Jeff knew, when he posted, that if you ask ten 928 people what brake pads they use, you'll get eleven different answers, one of which will come from Hacker regarding what Todd does.

Amazingly enough, he didn't ask this question.....

Speedtoys

Leather on wooden wheels...I mean.....

hacker-pschorr

Read post #4:
That sure opened the door for suggestions, didn't it?
Maybe you didn't notice Jeff has been participating in the discussion. This is a discussion board after-all, that's what we do here, discuss things.

On that note, many of us are very amused how irritated you get whenever Todd is brought up. Something you and Carl have in common, you should share notes!

Purely negative posts like yours here is the #1 reason why people like Todd have little interest in regular participation. But sometimes he does browse the forum and sends me text messages with information he feels someone might find useful, this was one of those times.

M. Requin

^+1, except for the cruise control part- mine's inop.

Speedtoys

Not sure why you think that. I think he's done quite well.

Aren't you a moderator? You've been taking the **** recently...even to the point of telling me how much I dont like Todd.

worf928

I think you left out
#5. Don't wear out super-quickly
#6. Don't eat rotors for breakfast.

jcorenman

At the risk of being on-topic, the OE pads for us seem to be the best compromise. Our needs cover #1-6, and we've tried a few different pads (but by no means all of them). Spring and fall mornings tend to be chilly around here, and the local deer like to jump out from behind the bushes shortly after dawn. We also enjoy spirited mountain driving, often in quite warm temperatures. We've got a white car with nicely-finished wheels, so corrosive dust is an issue. And we fit GTS calipers with two-piece RB hats and rings when the motor got bigger, so eating rotors is not high on our list of favorite things.

We ran PBR pads for long time, terrific for deer encounters on chilly mornings but we melted them in the mountains, not once but twice with wrecked rotors (before the 5.9L motor and GTS brakes)-- uneven pad deposits, brake chatter, uneven rotor wear and rotors turned to toast.

Jeff put us onto Porterfield R4S, worked great once warmed up and in the mountains, but scared us too often with surprises when cold. In warmer climates I think they would be our go-to pads.

Which led us back to Porsche OE pads. Yes, they dust some (no worse than others) but it doesn't seem to stain, they are good when cold and terrific when warmed up, we haven't been able to overheat them and rotor/pad wear seems OK. They do squeal occasionally at very low speed (no dampers) but we've certainly experienced much worse. The Jury is still out as it's only been around 30K miles, but we're happy so far. I think the only way to get closer to our expectations would be to swap pads mid-morning and evening, but that seems like a nuisance...