Concerning smog experience
02-06-2019, 09:28 PM
#106
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02-07-2019, 03:21 AM
#107
Nordschleife Master
Specifically they may be talking about a 49 state car, that can't practically be registered in Calif.
02-07-2019, 03:56 AM
#108
Three Wheelin'
At the regular auctions in California - not classic specialty sales- cars come through with the disclaimer " dealer or out of state buyer only" meaning they didn't pass smog and they won't / can't be sold to the general public. You must show a dealers lic or out of state address . Even equipment belonging to the state that was diesel powered had this disclaimer when they toughened up the regulations on diesels.
02-07-2019, 09:48 PM
#111
Nordschleife Master
There are a few exemptions to the law. As a California resident, you may be able to register a 49-state vehicle if it was:
- Obtained as part of a divorce, inheritance, or legal separation settlement.
- Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was stolen while you were using the vehicle out-of-state.
- Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was destroyed or made inoperative beyond reasonable repair while you were using the vehicle out of state.
- An emergency vehicle, pursuant to California Vehicle Code § §27156.2 and 27156.3.
- Registered by you in the state of your last active military service outside California.
02-08-2019, 01:30 PM
#112
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You said "reason" and Calif in the same sentence, I don't think you can do that.
There are a few exemptions to the law. As a California resident, you may be able to register a 49-state vehicle if it was:
There are a few exemptions to the law. As a California resident, you may be able to register a 49-state vehicle if it was:
- Obtained as part of a divorce, inheritance, or legal separation settlement.
- Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was stolen while you were using the vehicle out-of-state.
- Purchased to replace your California-registered vehicle that was destroyed or made inoperative beyond reasonable repair while you were using the vehicle out of state.
- An emergency vehicle, pursuant to California Vehicle Code § §27156.2 and 27156.3.
- Registered by you in the state of your last active military service outside California.
But forgot one "If you are moving to California from another state, you may register a new 49-state vehicle if it was first registered by you in your home state,".
Does anyone still make a 49 state car?
02-08-2019, 05:23 PM
#113
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Also, what recourse if you even have as a buyer other than not buying it? I buy it and say, no issues, where in court am I asking for my money back?
02-08-2019, 06:07 PM
#114
Drifting
Part of my 928 ownership experience is AAA with the premium 100 mile towing. The DMV people at AAA earn my annual membership each time I don't have to visit the real DMV.
As I understand it until it passes smog and the reg tag is on the car you are subject to pulling over and a ticket, even if just parked on the street. I set all my cars up on the DMV site to give me an email notice for renewals, so its almost normal business for me to pay the fees in a timely fashion and not do the smog until months later. Each time I finally took one to smog I needed a (all they will give now) one day moving permit or risking a ticket.
As I understand it until it passes smog and the reg tag is on the car you are subject to pulling over and a ticket, even if just parked on the street. I set all my cars up on the DMV site to give me an email notice for renewals, so its almost normal business for me to pay the fees in a timely fashion and not do the smog until months later. Each time I finally took one to smog I needed a (all they will give now) one day moving permit or risking a ticket.
Now what about the tags? Do I have to go back to the DMV and pick them up? Or is the DMV automated enough now that they'll just show up? They haven't, yet.
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02-08-2019, 07:57 PM
#115
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Well, I can see your liability issue, but from a consumer protection standpoint, its a business that will have that onus, and I would agree. From a personal sale perspective, I don't see it. Buyer beware. You sell me a cell phone for 1000 dollars and I get it home and it won't... do something or is in some way broken that I was not able to see - what is my recourse with you if you are less moral person than expected?
Also, what recourse if you even have as a buyer other than not buying it? I buy it and say, no issues, where in court am I asking for my money back?
Also, what recourse if you even have as a buyer other than not buying it? I buy it and say, no issues, where in court am I asking for my money back?
Its a slam dunk in CA to sue for the damages incurred to get the car past smog.
So...it protect you as a seller, and you as a a buyer.
Your trust in humanity has someone else's grubby hand in your pocket buying a car with no smog when required in CA.
The hope is you wont come back for damages...plus the original transaction.
If you buy a car for $5k, and put $1k into it..and pull the escape line on fixing it further to pass smog, the seller owes you $6k...and you wont be standing in court long to get it. Buyer ignorance on requiring a smog cert from the seller wont help them. Or if $1k fixes it, they owe you $1k.
Of course, if we know what WE are getting into, and its a deal you cant pass, its your risk..
I cant figure why you would call requiring a cert to sell or buy it not worth it..I dont want other peoples hands on my money.
02-08-2019, 08:47 PM
#117
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Its a slam dunk in CA to sue for the damages incurred to get the car past smog.
So...it protect you as a seller, and you as a a buyer.
Your trust in humanity has someone else's grubby hand in your pocket buying a car with no smog when required in CA.
The hope is you wont come back for damages...plus the original transaction.
If you buy a car for $5k, and put $1k into it..and pull the escape line on fixing it further to pass smog, the seller owes you $6k...and you wont be standing in court long to get it. Buyer ignorance on requiring a smog cert from the seller wont help them. Or if $1k fixes it, they owe you $1k.
Of course, if we know what WE are getting into, and its a deal you cant pass, its your risk..
I cant figure why you would call requiring a cert to sell or buy it not worth it..I dont want other peoples hands on my money.
So...it protect you as a seller, and you as a a buyer.
Your trust in humanity has someone else's grubby hand in your pocket buying a car with no smog when required in CA.
The hope is you wont come back for damages...plus the original transaction.
If you buy a car for $5k, and put $1k into it..and pull the escape line on fixing it further to pass smog, the seller owes you $6k...and you wont be standing in court long to get it. Buyer ignorance on requiring a smog cert from the seller wont help them. Or if $1k fixes it, they owe you $1k.
Of course, if we know what WE are getting into, and its a deal you cant pass, its your risk..
I cant figure why you would call requiring a cert to sell or buy it not worth it..I dont want other peoples hands on my money.
02-08-2019, 10:27 PM
#118
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We are the only state I am aware of that does it. Its strange as the exact people who will run into a problem in this area (older cars, cheaper cars, poorer people) will be the ones most affected - like most of these types of rules. I can see how it protects the consumer. But if you look at it another way, and extend the logic into the real issues surrounding emissions from all sources, the amount of rules and regulation around this one issue seems overdone. Either way, I am done with the process in most cases because I have already paid sales tax and will title problem cars elsewhere. (And by "problem" I do not mean "unclean" - I just mean "Headers (With cats, I am not a murderer), ECU tunes, and Shtuff like that"
That's not looking at it another way.
That's entirely changing the subject.
It has nothing to do with A) You have to smog a car to sell it and B) It's a reasonable consumer protection law.
02-08-2019, 11:36 PM
#119
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Alright bud. Got it. Smog laws suck. They don’t help anyone anymore as cars are cleaner than the globalist sponsored ships that park off my beach and spew more toxins and emissions than half the cars in SoCal do in an entire year. Rules defining what I have to do when I sell a car to an individual are heavy handed and an example of government overreach, which I have seen you support in many different ways across several different threads. Go buy your EV and be fvcking done with it.