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SCCA National Champtionships- The RunOffs in Sonoma 2018 - Countdown

Old 10-19-2018, 03:15 PM
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If you want to watch the races live on saturday AM.. here is the link.


The SCCA National Championships are this Saturday. If you want to see the race live on the web... Here is the link The GT2 race is 10:40am on Saturday Oct 20th. It's a crazy fast field. https://www.scca.com/events/1990668-...essions/latest . If you miss it, it will be on CBS sports in a couple of weeks after they produce it.
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Pardon my amazement at 'Greg is clueless" and "Greg needs to help me with a VTS system' all in the same post. Guessing you'll want that help for free. Guessing what the answer might be. Clueless.

For every adjustment made to a set of rules in a classification, someone will be injured by the change (not fair!) for every person who claims the current rules are not fair(!). It's impossible to please everyone. WEC, for instance, maintains an index of performance method for handycapping faster cars with more or less weight to keep them all equally competitive. Horses and sailboats are similarly and arbitrarily handicapped with weight or seconds-per-mile "corrections" so the fastest guys don't always win. It took SCCA only three years to change class rules to eliminate the performance advantage I enjoyed in the 1980's in sports-racing classes. In the interest of "fair", many felt it "unfair" that I was able to stretch the rules around emerging construction technologies with bleeding-edge engines. Old rules seemed "fair" to me right up to the point where we couldn't run away from others in the class any more. Let's just double the allowable displacement and see if more of those slower cars can now keep up. Then they decided I couldn't run two engines in retaliation. It just wasn't fair I tell you! It's all about the racing...

Have a good series and stay safe to race another day.
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Originally Posted by dr bob
Pardon my amazement at 'Greg is clueless" and "Greg needs to help me with a VTS system' all in the same post. Guessing you'll want that help for free. Guessing what the answer might be. Clueless.

For every adjustment made to a set of rules in a classification, someone will be injured by the change (not fair!) for every person who claims the current rules are not fair(!). It's impossible to please everyone. WEC, for instance, maintains an index of performance method for handycapping faster cars with more or less weight to keep them all equally competitive. Horses and sailboats are similarly and arbitrarily handicapped with weight or seconds-per-mile "corrections" so the fastest guys don't always win. It took SCCA only three years to change class rules to eliminate the performance advantage I enjoyed in the 1980's in sports-racing classes. In the interest of "fair", many felt it "unfair" that I was able to stretch the rules around emerging construction technologies with bleeding-edge engines. Old rules seemed "fair" to me right up to the point where we couldn't run away from others in the class any more. Let's just double the allowable displacement and see if more of those slower cars can now keep up. Then they decided I couldn't run two engines in retaliation. It just wasn't fair I tell you! It's all about the racing...

Have a good series and stay safe to race another day.
Bob, I don't think you know what the VTS is? but if you do, the help I want is for the good of the 928 community. as it is now, Ive at least gone through 2 years of pushing the SCCA folks to let the 928 run. now, its on the map. BUT, it is not classed fairly due to the VTS being "missing". no, this in NO WAY effects any competitor, when you add one fairly.. (other than he /she would have someone to compete against, but that's the idea) So, you don't know how these classes are evolving so let me clue you in. GT2 and T1 have gone through amazing changes when they were groups based on ALMS classed cars (GT2) and T1 was based on things like a vet and viper with a set of headers and suspension. then, the vets got upset, weight was added to the 8.4 liter vipers and they stopped coming out to play and started driving mustangs in T1. THEN can WCGT, and where are those cars to go, somewhat based on production "based" cars, right? well, they dumped them in STO , regional, and then STO was absorbed by T1...………….and guys like me, with a pysudo WCGT car, was dumped in GT2-ST...……. but that just gets you in the door with no consessions. , meanwhile, the 911 GT3 cup cars 997-1s are able to run in GT2. and by the way, what about nascar like racers=---------------- oh yeah, dump them in GT2 too...………..oh,...……… transam TA-----------dump them in GT2 as well. SO , based on doing this for 20 years, bob, its my opinion that the 928 should go to T1, it will never win, but it might be able to give a good showing with the right car and driver. So, what I ask is nothing like others have asked and GOT...……….we have just been left out of the last wave BECAUSE we cant find the flipping VTS SHEET!!

anyway, thanks for the well wishes. Yes, I will try and keep it safe and have some fun and a few battles out there. maybe even get some air time...…...having fun with the 500 other drivers out there that wont end up with a medal because the car is just an odd ball .... (that was the "clueless" point)'
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great video! was a blast riding along... what happened to your windshield??
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Originally Posted by merchauser
... what happened to your windshield??
is it under warranty?
nice job i miss that place
Old 10-20-2018, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by merchauser
great video! was a blast riding along... what happened to your windshield??
i know, i waited so many years to fix it and then ONE day at the Auto Club Speedway with Porsche club and those 4x4 maniacs! (always hitting the dirt and spraying rocks) l got to cracks the first session. so pissed!! so, Mark, i need another windshield..........got any more??
Old 10-20-2018, 12:22 PM
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Appreciate if some kind soul can confirm Sonoma is 8 hours behind GMT [7 hours behind BST]. Definitely want to try and catch this if it is live on line.
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Just spotted Mark live!

Well he finished 10th and got a couple of mentions including "you do not see many of those cars these days"..

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Was I the only one paying attention yesterday?

That was some damn fast company Mark was running in the midst of and got quite a buzz watching that live from the other side of the world knowing he was in the mix and following his progress on the leader board. I thought finishing 10th in such company was quite an achievement. When he got a mention and some close up footage I must have been smiling like a Cheshire cat-

Time for some of the Kibort bashers to eat some humble pie and give Mark some pats on the back - well done Mark proud of you mate!

Now get yourself an effing Sharktuner!

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Time for some of the Kibort bashers to eat some humble pie and give Mark some pats on the back - well done Mark proud of you mate!
+1...yeah, what he said! great job mark. all the work paid off.


Now get yourself an effing Sharktuner!
+1...yeah! for your interests and what you do, you really NEED one!
Old 10-21-2018, 08:26 PM
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way to go Mark !!!!!!
Old 10-23-2018, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by andy-gts
way to go Mark !!!!!!
thanks!




The start of the race....... the Green waves! starting the race behind the X-WCGT VET of Tony Gaples.

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What a great week of racing in the national championships..... Everyone there was extremely professional and the SCCA put on a truely world class event. you got a real sense of everyone's pride in their Marque and model of race car and many came over and gave a LOT of attention to the 928 buzzing around the paddock . Even the Michelin Rep came over to see the car and take a few pictures.

the 928 did what it always did .. ran like a champ and made no fuss. I beat on the car as hard as i can ever remember running it, never letting up for 40 mins. Had a fantastic battle for the entire race with the Green TransAm 2 Camaro. in the end, got a top 10 finish. Not bad for a car that is 32 years old and still has the original rubber bushings in the suspension! anyway, ran my fastest time ever at Sonoma Raceway, thanks to the Michellin slicks 1:46.4 and ran near that in qualifying too. also ran near my previous best from 5 years ago, on a set of used hoosiers . 1;47.xx. Its pretty funny, and Mark and I always laughed about this at the track.......we only opened the hood up to just put oil in the car..... besides changing tires and putting gas in, we usually do nothing.... they just run!

Anyway, i had a HUGE issue with my suspension settings. when i got the camber and ride height set up, i didnt even think of the corner balance........it was a complete mess. .........worst ive ever seen on my car, even worse when i first built it and was bolting things on blindly! front corners were 100lbs apart and usually i would get them near 5lbs difference. i made a small adjustment, but that was it, it was a small adjustment /correction, of about 10lbs. SO, i just finished getting it close, but i need to find some scales to see where its at. the car was locking up on hard braking zones, on the lighter passenger side tire.

So, I've disconnected the sway bars, will get it balanced as perfect as i can and then be ready for laguna next season to set a fast lap there! (tires wrapped in saran wrap for the winter)

I should have the highlight video ready shortly if anyone is interested in seeing the incar footage (and rear cam) the CBS broadcast will probably be in a few weeks.

PS... I just had to laugh at what Greg Brown had been saying.... there was no one there that would have agreed with him. there were so many top drivers, pros and others that had little or no chance of winning and were smiling ear to ear to be there and compete. some of the best racing was in the middle of the pack. and to Jim Bailey, who was mocking me regarding the "rules"... also funny, since he seems to have no remembrance of Mark's car in WCGT . Eventually, I'll get the car classed to where it should be. turns out , as it stands now, T1 is probably the better fit as they did a huge migration of all STO cars (ex- world challenge racers) to go into the T1 class. the best are still much faster than the 928, but at least if you are a hard charger, you should be able to get in the top 10, on a national stage in the 928. Lets see how far my efforts this year go, with getting the 928 into the Touring 1 class. I think it will take a GTS block with some 968heads and some .6" lift cams as well as the CF intake, THEN we push out the wheels 3" and we will have a 928 competitor in T1. More to come on that front.
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
What a great

PS... I just had to laugh at what Greg Brown had been saying.... there was no one there that would have agreed with him. there were so many top drivers, pros and others that had little or no chance of winning and were smiling ear to ear to be there and compete. some of the best racing was in the middle of the pack. and to Jim Bailey, who was mocking me regarding the "rules"... also funny, since he seems to have no remembrance of Mark's car ...

Mark it is amateur racing . The word derived from French meaning for the love of. So no doubt all those who went to the effort to race for fun and spend lots of money doing it had a good time. The only requirement to to run in the 28 different classes being the willingness to spend money. Not that it is different from most hobbies.
And I do remember Anderson running his 928. I actually " fixed " the 1/4 panel when he got punched in that video. Officially his engine was a 5.4 liter but as you know all too well if youare not winning you are not likely to be protested and have the displacement checked...
I also remember that your qualifying times were so slow that technocally you should not have been allowed to even start the race.But the car count was so low they ignored their 115 % rule....
So have fun and good luck with the engine plans.

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