More meat for the 'failed smog' grinder..
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I have a large number of S4 cars smogged every month, as a service for clients that don't want to hassle with it.
The "universal" S4 problem is CO under .01, which drives up the NOX....we are constantly trying to fix this problem.
I don't understand how you can have CO at .12 and a 9% correction factor in the rich direction, with a functional O2 sensor.
You have a stock cat on this car?
Get a probe into the O2 sensor wire to the computer, when it is hooked up and tell me the voltage.
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Cats are stock, assuming original.
O2 is a proper Bosch, changed out in...April?
Might need tomorrow eve to get that Greg, not sure if I have my DVM here at home or not...I might.
Here is the link to smog when I bought it, all it needed was a new maf, and I had one:
Here is the last check in 2017..after the intake refresh in late April 2016.
O2 is a proper Bosch, changed out in...April?
Might need tomorrow eve to get that Greg, not sure if I have my DVM here at home or not...I might.
Here is the link to smog when I bought it, all it needed was a new maf, and I had one:
Here is the last check in 2017..after the intake refresh in late April 2016.
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If you don't run the correct o rings for the injectors the car won't run enough for you to drive it.
It will pop and backfire like a motherf#cker and wont hold an idle to save its life; as I just learned in my thread.
I think it may be either tune based or an o ring for the injectors go rolled and isn't sealing correctly causing a small vacuum leak.
A smoke test would give a definitive answer on what is wrong without any real guessing on our part though...
It will pop and backfire like a motherf#cker and wont hold an idle to save its life; as I just learned in my thread.
I think it may be either tune based or an o ring for the injectors go rolled and isn't sealing correctly causing a small vacuum leak.
A smoke test would give a definitive answer on what is wrong without any real guessing on our part though...
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plug the HVAC port,
remove the line from the junction at the booster
remove the line from the junction at the booster
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Jeff --
You can disconnect the oxy sensor to the LH and let the controller settle at idle with that. Then puff starting fluid around each injector base, watching for a change in your WB02 reading. If you prop the throttle open a bit so the idle speed switch is open, you'll see a slight increase in RPMs too when the starting fluid smothers an air leak.
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Who did the injectors? Rebuild/cleaned or new? My NOx was creeping up, but the ignition was still strong enough to get the slightly-lean mixture from a cylinder or few, so the after-cat HC numbers still looked good. NBO2 readings showed total CO still good ahead of the cats. New injectors as part of an intake refresh cleaned up the NOx readings completely. Now we live in a no-test area in Oregon. Kind of a mixed blessing. I don't have to have it tested, but I also don't get the diagnostic benefits of the test results.
You can disconnect the oxy sensor to the LH and let the controller settle at idle with that. Then puff starting fluid around each injector base, watching for a change in your WB02 reading. If you prop the throttle open a bit so the idle speed switch is open, you'll see a slight increase in RPMs too when the starting fluid smothers an air leak.
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Who did the injectors? Rebuild/cleaned or new? My NOx was creeping up, but the ignition was still strong enough to get the slightly-lean mixture from a cylinder or few, so the after-cat HC numbers still looked good. NBO2 readings showed total CO still good ahead of the cats. New injectors as part of an intake refresh cleaned up the NOx readings completely. Now we live in a no-test area in Oregon. Kind of a mixed blessing. I don't have to have it tested, but I also don't get the diagnostic benefits of the test results.
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Looking at your past results, it has been about .10 CO all along.....so that has not changed.
Excessive HC is a sign of a misfire...that's why they measure it. Start at the beginning. Compression good? Correct heat range plugs? Spark plug wires?
Excessive HC is a sign of a misfire...that's why they measure it. Start at the beginning. Compression good? Correct heat range plugs? Spark plug wires?
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Jeff --
You can disconnect the oxy sensor to the LH and let the controller settle at idle with that. Then puff starting fluid around each injector base, watching for a change in your WB02 reading. If you prop the throttle open a bit so the idle speed switch is open, you'll see a slight increase in RPMs too when the starting fluid smothers an air leak.
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Who did the injectors? Rebuild/cleaned or new? My NOx was creeping up, but the ignition was still strong enough to get the slightly-lean mixture from a cylinder or few, so the after-cat HC numbers still looked good. NBO2 readings showed total CO still good ahead of the cats. New injectors as part of an intake refresh cleaned up the NOx readings completely. Now we live in a no-test area in Oregon. Kind of a mixed blessing. I don't have to have it tested, but I also don't get the diagnostic benefits of the test results.
You can disconnect the oxy sensor to the LH and let the controller settle at idle with that. Then puff starting fluid around each injector base, watching for a change in your WB02 reading. If you prop the throttle open a bit so the idle speed switch is open, you'll see a slight increase in RPMs too when the starting fluid smothers an air leak.
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Who did the injectors? Rebuild/cleaned or new? My NOx was creeping up, but the ignition was still strong enough to get the slightly-lean mixture from a cylinder or few, so the after-cat HC numbers still looked good. NBO2 readings showed total CO still good ahead of the cats. New injectors as part of an intake refresh cleaned up the NOx readings completely. Now we live in a no-test area in Oregon. Kind of a mixed blessing. I don't have to have it tested, but I also don't get the diagnostic benefits of the test results.
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Ya..I think I saw a chafing of the drivers side coil wire about 8mo ago, I wasnt sure so I wrapped it with tape.
I suppose when I get back in October from Thailand...ill do all of that.
Cuz..why not.
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FWIW the coil wires should not touch any parts of their run,
if they do the voltage will begin leaking ,
best to buy two new coil wires and install them,
throw out the ones that were rubbing
if they do the voltage will begin leaking ,
best to buy two new coil wires and install them,
throw out the ones that were rubbing
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Coil wires feed 2 cyls on each side, but that could still be an issue. If there is a misfire of any sort-- ignition wires or one or more weak injectors-- then you have unburned fuel in the exhaust, and unused oxygen. The LH, using the O2 sensor, is going to see the excess O2 as "lean" and add fuel which adds to the excess HC.
However the high NOx-- as V2Rocket pointed out -- suggests a lean mixture, somewhere. An ignition misfire wouldn't leave those cylinders literally lean, just with excess O2 which looks lean to the LH but isn't. But weak injectors would result in cylinders which were literally lean, low HC and high NOx and excess O2 which would drive the non-weak cylinders rich but leave the high NOx from the weak cylinder(s).
Definitely fix the chafed wires, and when you get back I would consider checking the injectors again-- or at least trying a different set. And check the plugs, they sometimes tell a story.
However the high NOx-- as V2Rocket pointed out -- suggests a lean mixture, somewhere. An ignition misfire wouldn't leave those cylinders literally lean, just with excess O2 which looks lean to the LH but isn't. But weak injectors would result in cylinders which were literally lean, low HC and high NOx and excess O2 which would drive the non-weak cylinders rich but leave the high NOx from the weak cylinder(s).
Definitely fix the chafed wires, and when you get back I would consider checking the injectors again-- or at least trying a different set. And check the plugs, they sometimes tell a story.
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