928 prices again...
08-11-2018, 11:55 PM
#46
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“ The only 996's worth buying are the turbos, GT3's and the GT2”. So I take it from this comment you have owned 996 C4S and the other non turbo, non GT3 996 and that is what you are basing your comment on? Sorry I have to comment. This is the most ridiculous comment I have heard on the forums in a long time. Gunar
08-12-2018, 03:10 AM
#47
Three Wheelin'
Speaking from the investor class: they buy what the know or reasonably expect to sell for the same or more. History dictated the 911 was always more popular than the 928 for the general public.
08-12-2018, 04:11 AM
#48
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I don’t know where the 928 prices will be going, probably strongly influenced by the overall economy like with other car models right on the bubble.
I do however strongly believe that both demand by buyers and supply by sellers influence prices. I say this as a former economics professor (although I am now in recovery and have my 12 year chip of not having professed).
I do however strongly believe that both demand by buyers and supply by sellers influence prices. I say this as a former economics professor (although I am now in recovery and have my 12 year chip of not having professed).
08-12-2018, 07:41 AM
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Seriously, I think it is a printing error. The asked price of € 216.000 as printed should be € 21.600.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=265967225&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&isSearch Request=true&makeModelVariant1.makeId=20100&makeModelVariant1.modelId=11 &pageNumber=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption .sortOrder=DESCENDING&fnai=prev&searchId=3f37d86a-0b28-975c-c54b-4469e1205c9d
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https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=265967225&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&isSearch Request=true&makeModelVariant1.makeId=20100&makeModelVariant1.modelId=11 &pageNumber=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption .sortOrder=DESCENDING&fnai=prev&searchId=3f37d86a-0b28-975c-c54b-4469e1205c9d
Åke
08-12-2018, 09:41 AM
#50
Burning Brakes
Seriously, I think it is a printing error. The asked price of € 216.000 as printed should be € 21.600.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...b-4469e1205c9d
Åke
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...b-4469e1205c9d
Åke
08-12-2018, 08:33 PM
#51
Burning Brakes
When we start seeing people do frame-up restorations, that's a pretty good indication that the market is going up. We're seeing that now for the OBs.
Nostalgia is also a big influence, and guys who grew up seeing these cars on the streets & classic films of the 80s are starting to roll into their prime years for disposable income. They'll be willing to pay more for the really nice cars. As for all the "they're really expensive to maintain" comments that have haunted 928s for years, compare them to a 308.
Nostalgia is also a big influence, and guys who grew up seeing these cars on the streets & classic films of the 80s are starting to roll into their prime years for disposable income. They'll be willing to pay more for the really nice cars. As for all the "they're really expensive to maintain" comments that have haunted 928s for years, compare them to a 308.
08-13-2018, 05:01 PM
#52
This is really a driver vs investor debate. I am personally grateful that most of the posters on this forum are drivers. My thoughts....
People who are drivers can appreciate a reasonably price semi-super car. The 928 is a road car, designed for incredible comfort and speed over long distances. Having one for the occasional 5-10 mile outing doesn’t do the car justice, and paying “investor” prices means huge loss in value for putting on significant additional mileage.
Investors want almost guaranteed year to year appreciation, want a car that will provide a quick thrill on very short drives to limit mileage. The 928 is NOT hat type of car.
Bottom line, we all want to buy at driver pricing and sell at investor pricing.
Me, I hope the values never go to investor levels so that WE can continue to enjoy them.
People who are drivers can appreciate a reasonably price semi-super car. The 928 is a road car, designed for incredible comfort and speed over long distances. Having one for the occasional 5-10 mile outing doesn’t do the car justice, and paying “investor” prices means huge loss in value for putting on significant additional mileage.
Investors want almost guaranteed year to year appreciation, want a car that will provide a quick thrill on very short drives to limit mileage. The 928 is NOT hat type of car.
Bottom line, we all want to buy at driver pricing and sell at investor pricing.
Me, I hope the values never go to investor levels so that WE can continue to enjoy them.
08-13-2018, 05:17 PM
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This is really a driver vs investor debate. I am personally grateful that most of the posters on this forum are drivers. My thoughts....
People who are drivers can appreciate a reasonably price semi-super car. The 928 is a road car, designed for incredible comfort and speed over long distances. Having one for the occasional 5-10 mile outing doesn’t do the car justice, and paying “investor” prices means huge loss in value for putting on significant additional mileage.
Investors want almost guaranteed year to year appreciation, want a car that will provide a quick thrill on very short drives to limit mileage. The 928 is NOT hat type of car.
Bottom line, we all want to buy at driver pricing and sell at investor pricing.
Me, I hope the values never go to investor levels so that WE can continue to enjoy them.
People who are drivers can appreciate a reasonably price semi-super car. The 928 is a road car, designed for incredible comfort and speed over long distances. Having one for the occasional 5-10 mile outing doesn’t do the car justice, and paying “investor” prices means huge loss in value for putting on significant additional mileage.
Investors want almost guaranteed year to year appreciation, want a car that will provide a quick thrill on very short drives to limit mileage. The 928 is NOT hat type of car.
Bottom line, we all want to buy at driver pricing and sell at investor pricing.
Me, I hope the values never go to investor levels so that WE can continue to enjoy them.
Cheers to you sir,
Dave
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08-13-2018, 05:34 PM
#54
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Having owned a number of fun cars that I can no longer afford; 66 Mustang Gt fastback, 56 MGA, 67 Sunbeam Tiger, 48 Chevy windowside van w/ station wagon rear tailgate, and having driver many more when they were affordable (Jensen Interceptor, various Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s),I do NOT want to make big money on this car.
I do not want to drive an off-year Corvette, or any Corvette.
I do not want to worry about a couple of bugs on my hood.
i want to SMILE.
Having owned a number of fun cars that I can no longer afford; 66 Mustang Gt fastback, 56 MGA, 67 Sunbeam Tiger, 48 Chevy windowside van w/ station wagon rear tailgate, and having driver many more when they were affordable (Jensen Interceptor, various Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s),I do NOT want to make big money on this car.
I do not want to drive an off-year Corvette, or any Corvette.
I do not want to worry about a couple of bugs on my hood.
i want to SMILE.
08-13-2018, 05:48 PM
#55
Sorry I have to comment. This is the most ridiculous comment I have heard on the forums in a long time. I have been around these cars for 40 years. I have owned many and listed a few. The quality of the 964 is one of the best made 911's going. The 928 was a more complicated car to build but quality is on par with both. The 993 had significant upgrades the 964 should have received but is lacking in other ways. The market is about supply and demand. The demand is high and the supply low. The 964 is one of the lowest production US spec Porsche's made period and it is a fantastic ride
The 964 3.6 Turbo, despite extremely limited numbers, hovered around the mid 60's for as long as I can remember.
It's great that you've owned a few but I've been wrenching on them. The only 964 that doesn't leak oil is the one that doesn't have oil in it. The 993 was such a vast improvement over the 964 in terms of build quality that it's almost funny.
Again, from the point of view from someone that swings wenches on these cars.
It's wonderful that you have such a high opinion of your 964's but understand that it's just that, an opinion.
It's my opinion that I'd prefer to own a 928 S4, or newer, over any 964. Which is funny since the 928 is the only naturally aspirated car I've ever owned.
08-14-2018, 09:19 PM
#56
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I just drove my car from the Bay Area to Greg Browns shop for a little Shark Tuning tutorial and back. It's about 400 miles each way. I'm not sure what car that I would trade my 928 for. I've owned a few 911's and I would not trade regardless of the values.
I think the biggest reason that 928 prices are suppressed is that there are so many "beater's" being sold on CL./eBay. It seems to me that a beater 928 shows worse than a 911 beater. Really good 928's are far and few but I'm beginning to see more. Until 928 owners see
the advantage of "investing" in their cars I don't see big money coming along anytime soon. Just read the conversations about a dash cap....Be serious, either take care of your car or park it and even better, sell it to someone that will treat it correctly.
I think the biggest reason that 928 prices are suppressed is that there are so many "beater's" being sold on CL./eBay. It seems to me that a beater 928 shows worse than a 911 beater. Really good 928's are far and few but I'm beginning to see more. Until 928 owners see
the advantage of "investing" in their cars I don't see big money coming along anytime soon. Just read the conversations about a dash cap....Be serious, either take care of your car or park it and even better, sell it to someone that will treat it correctly.
08-15-2018, 01:22 AM
#57
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When we start seeing people do frame-up restorations, that's a pretty good indication that the market is going up. We're seeing that now for the OBs.
Nostalgia is also a big influence, and guys who grew up seeing these cars on the streets & classic films of the 80s are starting to roll into their prime years for disposable income. They'll be willing to pay more for the really nice cars. As for all the "they're really expensive to maintain" comments that have haunted 928s for years, compare them to a 308.
Nostalgia is also a big influence, and guys who grew up seeing these cars on the streets & classic films of the 80s are starting to roll into their prime years for disposable income. They'll be willing to pay more for the really nice cars. As for all the "they're really expensive to maintain" comments that have haunted 928s for years, compare them to a 308.
2. Please provide references were there are OBs(more than one) going through a thorough restoration to factory specs, intended for show quality 100 point judging.
Thx
08-15-2018, 10:51 AM
#58
Drifting
Posts #52 and #56 really ring very true. I think it's also important to remember that the most expensive collector Porsches (not just 911s) have rich racing histories. Just happens that any 911 (even today's GT-car-esque 911s) are dipped in this history. Try to imagine the values of any Panamera or Cayenne in 30 years and it's easy to understand the present values of 928s - and even conclude that the 928 is doing much better than these two modern examples will do in old age. The 928 is a much more historically significant car than modern front-engined Porsches. The 928 was made in much lower numbers due to being on the boundary between hand built and automated assembly. The 928 will likely get more love from those who had posters of them in their teenager bedrooms and engineers (take a look at the 928 owner-occupation thread) who appreciate the technical innovations in the 928 design. The only GT/Touring Porsche that will be a similar engineering milestone is the new Mission E/Taycan.
08-15-2018, 05:06 PM
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. ..........The 928 was made in much lower numbers due to being on the boundary between hand built and automated assembly. The 928 will likely get more love from those who had posters of them in their teenager bedrooms and engineers (take a look at the 928 owner-occupation thread) who appreciate the technical innovations in the 928 design. ...........
08-16-2018, 12:28 PM
#60
Finding this thread is timely for me. I'm helping a friend who just inherited a 928 and a 968. He is likely going to sell both as he's not an enthusiast like all of us. Can anyone help me decode the options on the 928 and give me an honest opinion on what a 6-8 week sale price might be? Assume "average condition until I can load pictures. I am a 987/996 guy.
1990 Porsche 928
VIN: WP0JB2929LS860227
Transmission: ManualColor: Burgundy
Miles: 125,148
Thanks
1990 Porsche 928
VIN: WP0JB2929LS860227
Transmission: ManualColor: Burgundy
Miles: 125,148
Thanks